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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    It means you have a New Covenant as spoken of in Jeremiah. Your people broke the Old Covenant, so he gave you a new one.
    That makes no sense. A new covenant does not mean a new Torah or a new set of laws. That is, in fact, absurd, because it would contradict what G-d said in the Torah.

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    [Y]our people disregard what the Prophet Jeremiah said to all people.
    Antisemitic claptrap. Jews do not disregard Yirmiyahu. We disregard Xians and Xianity. Not the same thing.

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    Sacrificing unblemished lambs for attonment is no longer relevant. There is now a New Convenant.
    You still do not understand what "new covenant" means. Nothing abolishes the Torah.

    And get off your autistic attachment to "sacrificing unblemished lambsc for atonement." You do not know how atonement works in Judaism, either, so quit talking about things you do not understand and are not qualified to comment on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Would you like Jeremiah in Hebrew? that can be arranged
    I already have a copy, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Its right there in Jeremiah's statement. Read it
    He has. Apparently, in the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    You still do not understand what "new covenant" means. Nothing abolishes the Torah.

    And get off your autistic attachment to "sacrificing unblemished lambsc for atonement." You do not know how atonement works in Judaism, either, so quit talking about things you do not understand and are not qualified to comment on.
    Never said to abandon the Torah. God just revealed a New Covenant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    You still do not understand what "new covenant" means. Nothing abolishes the Torah.

    And get off your autistic attachment to "sacrificing unblemished lambsc for atonement." You do not know how atonement works in Judaism, either, so quit talking about things you do not understand and are not qualified to comment on.
    You have spoke about when the New Temple is built that your people will start the sacrificing of lambs again for atonement. Just following what you have said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Never said to abandon the Torah. God just revealed a New Covenant
    You cannot have it both ways. Your (incorrect) version of the new covenant abrogates Torah law and makes it no longer applicable. That means abandoning the Torah. To say otherwise is dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    You have spoke about when the New Temple is built that your people will start the sacrificing of lambs again for atonement. Just following what you have said.
    I said that "the sacrifices" would resume. It may include doing so for atonement, but it need not. Most sacrifices had nothing to do with atonement for sins. In fact, it only is related to unintentional sins, never for intentional ones. And those sacrifices are not required for atonement in any case; you just do not understand how atonement works in Judaism, because you are unfamiliar with the Torah that you do not believe needs to be followed in any case. (And note further that the 613 mitzvos do not apply to non-Jews anyway; only the 7 Laws of Noah do.)

    You simply do not understand anything about Judaism, so stop commenting on something you are clearly unqualified to discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Its right there in Jeremiah's statement. Read it
    Read what? Your quote, written with such enthusiasm by large fonts? It's not Jeremiah, it's Paul's words.
    Now back to my question: who and when canceled eternal Covenant of God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    He has. Apparently, in the original.
    I don't like the most common translation of Jeremiah 31:32 in the Bible:
    "not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD."
    Better: "I was a lord over them" (chabad.org)
    Anyway the words were replaced in the NT (Hebrews 8:9) by "I turned away from them", which caused such delight of our Christian friend..

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