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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Yes, you do. Claiming that Jews have an anti-Xian agenda is attacking Jews. Even - perhaps especially - when you specify Orthodox Jews, about whom you understand nothing.
    I understand them perfectly.

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    Jesus was a Jew and all his disciples were Jews.
    And none were educated Jews, or they would not have abandoned the Torah, much less exhorted others to do so as well.

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    Christianity was not intended to be a different religion, it was a fullfillment fo the New Covenant as spoken of in Jeremiah.
    It could not have been, since Xianity sought to abrogate the Torah. Yirmiyahu wrote that Torah law would be embraced by all Jews, not abandoned by them.

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    The Orthodox jews rejected the New Covenant, yet they said Christians were wrong.
    And we were correct to do so. There is no abrogating of Torah law, which is an eternal covenant.

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    You say over 2 Billion people are wrong and a few Jews are right.
    Yes. Numbers are irrelevant, a logical fallacy. Jews, especially orthodox Jews who study Judaism every day, know Judaism better than any number of Xians.

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    I don't think people are stupid and they get it.
    None of them is educated in Judaism.

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    They have experienced a revelation from G-d that Jesus is the Messiah and they have become a changed people.
    Subjective experience is irrelevant to reality.

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    You are saying unless Jews observe a torah they will not know G-d.
    Not "a" torah; the Torah. It is the eternal covenant between G-d and the Jewish people.

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    There is nothing to do for sin, but deal with it on your own.
    The Torah - written and oral - provides for how to deal with sin.

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    What happened to the unblemished lambs being sacrificed for your sins.
    They were never required; they were only an option, but only for unintentional sins.

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    Where did you get this idea you just deal with sin on your own. Never heard of this in Jewish books.
    You know nothing of Judaism or Jewish law, and have no business commenting on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    I understand them perfectly.
    You know nothing. You do not understand Judaism or Jewish law and have no business commenting on it. Orthodox Jews know Judaism better than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    You discover truth thru revelation. Nothing is dictated to me or codified
    Everything is dictated and codified to you. What you think is revelation is just your acceptance of top-down dogma. This is why you make the same Availability Errors, Confirmation Bias and Correlation Does Not Imply Causation fallacies when you tell us about your "revelations."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    And none were educated Jews, or they would not have abandoned the Torah, much less exhorted others to do so as well.


    It could not have been, since Xianity sought to abrogate the Torah. Yirmiyahu wrote that Torah law would be embraced by all Jews, not abandoned by them.


    And we were correct to do so. There is no abrogating of Torah law, which is an eternal covenant.


    Yes. Numbers are irrelevant, a logical fallacy. Jews, especially orthodox Jews who study Judaism every day, know Judaism better than any number of Xians.


    None of them is educated in Judaism.


    Subjective experience is irrelevant to reality.


    Not "a" torah; the Torah. It is the eternal covenant between G-d and the Jewish people.


    The Torah - written and oral - provides for how to deal with sin.


    They were never required; they were only an option, but only for unintentional sins.


    You know nothing of Judaism or Jewish law, and have no business commenting on it.
    Paul was an educated Jew from a Pharisee father from the tribe of Benjamin PAUL'S CHILDHOOD AND EDUCATION. Guess you were wrong about him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    Everything is dictated and codified to you. What you think is revelation is just your acceptance of top-down dogma. This is why you make the same Availability Errors, Confirmation Bias and Correlation Does Not Imply Causation fallacies when you tell us about your "revelations."
    Everything is revealed to me by the Holy Spirit thru Revelation. You are taught by Liberal College Professors that are the anti Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Paul was an educated Jew from a Pharisee father from the tribe of Benjamin PAUL'S CHILDHOOD AND EDUCATION. Guess you were wrong about him
    I doubt it. The ravings of a Xian missionary author, whose purpose is proselytize to Jews, are not credible. From what I gleaned from the page, it sounds like Santala

    Nothing in Judaism, including the moshiach, is valid to the extent that it seeks to abrogate or nullify Torah law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Everything is revealed to me by the Holy Spirit thru Revelation.
    So, you claim to be a prophet, then? You not only have a persecution complex, but also delusions of grandeur.

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    You are taught by Liberal College Professors that are the anti Christ.
    You do know that most liberals in the U.S. are Xians, right ... ?
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    Everything is revealed to me by the Holy Spirit thru Revelation. You are taught by Liberal College Professors that are the anti Christ
    So what you're saying is there isn't any point in talking to you. And what purpose can you serve here? You are not the holy spirit. You're just like those professors, talk talk talk. Why don't you leave us alone so the holy spirit can talk to us. You know your words are useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Everything is revealed to me by the Holy Spirit thru Revelation. You are taught by Liberal College Professors that are the anti Christ
    No one discovered the "Holy Spirit" from bottom-up observations, testing and theorizing. You discovered it by reading a book of codified words written by humans pretending to speak for a God.

    Name one "liberal" college professor who taught against religion. I have been an Atheist since I was 14 years old, well before I started college.

    You hate reality-based education because it is just that: reality-based.
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