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    Do what you want with it. Close your eyes and make excuses for it.
    I'm not doing anything with it. I don't even sort of care if it's accurate or not...just pointing out that you people always scream fake news when the story disagrees with your view or opinion, but when the news story says what you want it to, then it's not fake news. It's hypocritical, to say the least.

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    Have you ever spoke harshly about Islam?
    I just did. Read the long post above. I slammed all religion. That would include Islam.

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    But headlines can mislead. The main terrorist threat in the United States is not from violent Muslim extremists, but from right-wing extremists. Just ask the police.

    In a survey we conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum last year of 382 law enforcement agencies, 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top three terrorist threats in their jurisdiction; 39 percent listed extremism connected with Al Qaeda or like-minded terrorist organizations. And only 3 percent identified the threat from Muslim extremists as severe, compared with 7 percent for anti-government and other forms of extremism. An officer from a large metropolitan area said that “militias, neo-Nazis and sovereign citizens” are the biggest threat we face in regard to extremism. One officer explained that he ranked the right-wing threat higher because “it is an emerging threat that we don’t have as good of a grip on, even with our intelligence unit, as we do with the Al Shabab/Al Qaeda issue, which we have been dealing with for some time.” An officer on the West Coast explained that the “sovereign citizen” anti-government threat has “really taken off,” whereas terrorism by American Muslim is something “we just haven’t experienced yet.”

    Despite public anxiety about extremists inspired by Al Qaeda and the Islamic State, the number of violent plots by such individuals has remained very low. Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.

    In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/o...reat.html?_r=1

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    Ok, 50 fatalities versus 254. That's a ratio of 5.08 to 1.

    The Muslim population in the U.S. is 0.9%. The Christian population is 70.6% That's a ratio of 78.4 to 1.

    Radical Islam is still overrepresented. Now go around the world.

    There were 1274 Islamic terror attacks in 50 countries resulting in 11,774 fatalities in 2016.

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Ok, 50 fatalities versus 254. That's a ratio of 5.08 to 1.

    The Muslim population in the U.S. is 0.9%. The Christian population is 70.6% That's a ratio of 78.4 to 1.

    Radical Islam is still overrepresented. Now go around the world.

    There were 1274 Islamic terror attacks in 50 countries resulting in 11,774 fatalities in 2016.

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm
    We cannot control what goes on in other countries (and btw, your link is a a well known anti Muslim site whose figures are dubious)

    But it's safe to say in the US - we have far more to fear from right-wing extremism than we do from Islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Ok, 50 fatalities versus 254. That's a ratio of 5.08 to 1.

    The Muslim population in the U.S. is 0.9%. The Christian population is 70.6% That's a ratio of 78.4 to 1.

    Radical Islam is still overrepresented. Now go around the world.

    There were 1274 Islamic terror attacks in 50 countries resulting in 11,774 fatalities in 2016.

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/terror-2016.htm
    BFD, how many Muslims have died in the "War on Terror" from us and our allies since 9/11? Does 4 million sound about right? It seems Christians are leading the score 4 million to less than 100,000.

    Do The Math: Global War On Terror Has Killed 4 Million Muslims Or More

    Scoreboard, Dude!

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    The Israelis have killed/wounded less than 175,000 Muslims since 1920. When it comes to mass killing, we own it hands down.

    Total Casualties, Arab-Israeli Conflict

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    We cannot control what goes on in other countries (and btw, your link is a a well known anti Muslim site whose figures are dubious)

    But it's safe to say in the US - we have far more to fear from right-wing extremism than we do from Islam.
    Except right-wing extremism has never carried out anything close to the magnitude of 9/11, and ISIS would love to do something similar if given the chance. Per capita, we have more to fear from radical Islamic terror, and more to fear of a large scale attack.

    The Popular Myth That Right-Wing Extremism Kills More Than Islamic Terrorism in U.S. Since 9/11

    Thus, the conclusions are not only questionable, they are borderline deceptive. The professor concludes:

    Right wing terrorism is more deadly for Americans only if you add a number of very limiting parameters (e.g. excluding the victims of 9/11, ignoring “lone wolf” attacks without solid connections to groups like al-Qaeda and their affiliates, etc…). But if you lift those limitations, and apply equal standards, then the raw and unfiltered numbers of deaths of Americans due to Islamic extremism in the United States over the last fifteen years dwarf the numbers attributable to right wing extremism by a ratio of over 62 to 1.

    Even if you leave out 9/11 victims and just focus on the ideological statements and goals of the attackers, then the deaths of Americans due to Islamic extremism still outnumber the deaths attributable to right wingers (which reveals an even greater disparity when compared with population groups). If we move beyond America’s borders, then the disparity becomes far greater, with somewhere around 90% of the world’s terrorism related deaths attributable to Islamic extremism, and only a fraction of 1% attributable to right wing extremism.
    Non partisan sources like Global Terrorism Database confirm that 90% of the world's terrorist attacks stem from radical Islam, and about 1% from right-wing extremism.

    https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/about/

    Also, what do you think radical Islamic terrorism is? It's right-wing extemism on steroids.

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    What say you? I agree with Christopher Hitchens here, Islam is more dangerous because of a distinct and important difference in its Dogma. Every religion calims to be of the true word of God, but Islam claims to be the last and final word. That suggestion itself promotes violence in the religion's fundamentalists. A global Jihad where the entire world is run under Sharia Law. That everyone who doesn't believe are idolaters and need to be exterminated so that God's word is exhalted.


    all cults are dangerious...all religions are cults.

    They are dangerious becasue they try to influence how you think and behave. Religions work on weak minds and twist them. Religions are all about controlling the masses, the more you have under your control, the more control you have.

    All religions have a bloody past. The reason islam is more dangerious is becasue it is not just a bloody past, it is a blood now. Islam is several centuries behind the rest of the world. Yes yes yes... they are good people. However... put said good muslims under sheria law... and they will revert to submitting to islam and its barbaric ways.
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    This is VERY long but also very interesting. Sam Harris and Cenk Uygur basically debate the merits of the OP.


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