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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Doing the Fathers will was what he was resigned to do. Not his own will which would have had him live without it.

    Uhmmm....duh.

    John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

    Only a fool would not know that your bible is full of contradictions.

    Uhmmm....duh.

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    It just shows that he chose to do god's will over his personal convenience. Free will.

    Duh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I think the bible is crap
    'The Bible' is an anthology that includes all sorts of texts from very different times, and often rewritten to some degree. I think we'd get a lot further forward if we discussed particular books,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
    Can Christians then ever be Done unto? Are you saying that the Golden Rule is ONLY for Christians to do unto other NON-Christians? By your logic here, a Christian can never ACTUALLY do unto another Christian because then THAT Christian who is the recipient of the being done unto is breaking the Rule..
    If we don't answer this question, how is the assertion in the OP valid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
    Can Christians then ever be Done unto? Are you saying that the Golden Rule is ONLY for Christians to do unto other NON-Christians? By your logic here, a Christian can never ACTUALLY do unto another Christian because then THAT Christian who is the recipient of the being done unto is breaking the Rule.

    This OP might just be the dumbest OP I have ever read on this forum. Probably not, but it just feels good to say right now because of the level of stupid it displays..
    Would you tell this Bishop what you put for me?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNu...s_digest-vrecs

    Strange though that you attack the messenger while showing you cannot argue against the morality of the message.

    I think you have just shown us all who the stupid and immoral one is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Gnosticism is self-contradictory.
    Thanks for showing what you are talking about.

    Oh wait. You were just throwing stones and running away.

    Nice debate methods pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    It just shows that he chose to do god's will over his personal convenience. Free will.

    Duh?
    Duh. Can you not read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Would you tell this Bishop what you put for me?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNu...s_digest-vrecs

    Strange though that you attack the messenger while showing you cannot argue against the morality of the message.

    I think you have just shown us all who the stupid and immoral one is.

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    You didn't answer anything I wrote. I didn't attack the messenger, I questioned the entire foundation of the OP. Do you have an answer..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Gnosticism is self-contradictory.
    Gnostic means " to know "
    Agnostic means " to not know "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Thanks for showing what you are talking about.

    Oh wait. You were just throwing stones and running away.

    Nice debate methods pal.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosti...lawed_category

    "Gnosis" as a potentially flawed category[edit]

    In 1966 in Messina, Italy, a conference was held concerning systems of gnosis. Among its several aims were the need to establish a program to translate the recently acquired Nag Hammadi library and the need to arrive at an agreement concerning an accurate definition of "Gnosticism". This was in answer to the tendency, prevalent since the 18th century, to use the term "gnostic" less as its origins implied, but rather as an interpretive category for contemporary philosophical and religious movements. For example, in 1835, New Testament scholar Ferdinand Christian Baur constructed a developmental model of Gnosticism that culminated in the religious philosophy of Hegel; one might compare literary critic Harold Bloom's recent attempts to identify Gnostic elements in contemporary American religion, or Eric Voegelin's analysis of totalitarian impulses through the interpretive lens of Gnosticism.

    The "cautious proposal" reached by the conference concerning Gnosticism is described by Markschies:

    "In the concluding document of Messina the proposal was "by the simultaneous application of historical and typological methods" to designate "a particular group of systems of the second century after Christ" as gnosticism, and to use gnosis to define a conception of knowledge that transcends the times, which was described as "knowledge of divine mysteries for an élite"."

    — Markschies, Gnosis: An Introduction, p. 13

    In essence, this decided that "Gnosticism" would become a historically specific term, restricted to mean the Gnostic movements prevalent in the 3rd century, while "gnosis" would be a universal term, denoting a system of knowledge retained "for a privileged élite." However, this effort towards providing clarity in fact created more conceptual confusion, because the historical term "Gnosticism" was an entirely modern construction, while the new universal term "gnosis" was a historical term: "something was being called "gnosticism" that the ancient theologians had called 'gnosis' ... [A] concept of gnosis had been created by Messina that was almost unusable in a historical sense".[103] In antiquity, all agreed that knowledge was centrally important to life, but few were agreed as to what exactly constituted knowledge; the unitary conception that the Messina proposal presupposed did not exist.[103]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Duh. Can you not read?

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    I was about to ask you the same question.

    When you decide to do someone else's command in lieu of your personal safety and convenience, isn't that a choice freely taken?

    Uhmmm...duh?

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