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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
    You didn't answer anything I wrote. I didn't attack the messenger, I questioned the entire foundation of the OP. Do you have an answer..?
    I did and asked a question based on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosti...lawed_category

    "Gnosis" as a potentially flawed category[edit]

    In 1966 in Messina, Italy, a conference was held concerning systems of gnosis. Among its several aims were the need to establish a program to translate the recently acquired Nag Hammadi library and the need to arrive at an agreement concerning an accurate definition of "Gnosticism". This was in answer to the tendency, prevalent since the 18th century, to use the term "gnostic" less as its origins implied, but rather as an interpretive category for contemporary philosophical and religious movements. For example, in 1835, New Testament scholar Ferdinand Christian Baur constructed a developmental model of Gnosticism that culminated in the religious philosophy of Hegel; one might compare literary critic Harold Bloom's recent attempts to identify Gnostic elements in contemporary American religion, or Eric Voegelin's analysis of totalitarian impulses through the interpretive lens of Gnosticism.

    The "cautious proposal" reached by the conference concerning Gnosticism is described by Markschies:

    "In the concluding document of Messina the proposal was "by the simultaneous application of historical and typological methods" to designate "a particular group of systems of the second century after Christ" as gnosticism, and to use gnosis to define a conception of knowledge that transcends the times, which was described as "knowledge of divine mysteries for an élite"."

    — Markschies, Gnosis: An Introduction, p. 13

    In essence, this decided that "Gnosticism" would become a historically specific term, restricted to mean the Gnostic movements prevalent in the 3rd century, while "gnosis" would be a universal term, denoting a system of knowledge retained "for a privileged élite." However, this effort towards providing clarity in fact created more conceptual confusion, because the historical term "Gnosticism" was an entirely modern construction, while the new universal term "gnosis" was a historical term: "something was being called "gnosticism" that the ancient theologians had called 'gnosis' ... [A] concept of gnosis had been created by Messina that was almost unusable in a historical sense".[103] In antiquity, all agreed that knowledge was centrally important to life, but few were agreed as to what exactly constituted knowledge; the unitary conception that the Messina proposal presupposed did not exist.[103]
    Most are not as confused as you seem to think.

    Try seeing from their POV and not your own biased one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    I was about to ask you the same question.

    When you decide to do someone else's command in lieu of your personal safety and convenience, isn't that a choice freely taken?

    Uhmmm...duh?
    I do my fathers will and not my own is not a free choice. It indicates that Jesus is not doing his preferred will.

    You seem to want to see Jesus punish the innocent instead of the guilty instead of being the forgiving person he is written up to be.

    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Most are not as confused as you seem to think.

    Try seeing from their POV and not your own biased one.

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    Most are not even aware that such an inconsistency exist. After all, your gnosis is a secret.

    Duh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I do my fathers will and not my own is not a free choice. It indicates that Jesus is not doing his preferred will.
    Good lord! Is there no end to your nonsense????

    Doing somebody else's will in lieu of your own is still a free choice. Haven't you heard about duty? Is a person acting out of duty not exercising a free choice?

    Duh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    You seem to want to see Jesus punish the innocent instead of the guilty instead of being the forgiving person he is written up to be.

    Why?

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    I want jesus to punish the innocent????

    Now you're thoroughly confused. What did I say that would lead you to this conclusion, I wonder?

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    I will wait for an honest poster who does not distort what is said to just waste time with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I will wait for an honest poster who does not distort what is said to just waste time with.

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    Your posts are unintelligibly distorted on their own, there is nothing to distort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Your posts are unintelligibly distorted on their own, there is nothing to distort.
    Your belief in a subject that has no evidence or fact to prove is an exersize in profound stupidity. That you enjoy immense company of likeminded company is not surprising at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Your belief in a subject that has no evidence or fact to prove is an exersize in profound stupidity. That you enjoy immense company of likeminded company is not surprising at all.
    Not knowing how 'exercise' is spelled despite spell-check is profoundly stupid -- which isn't a surprise coming from you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Why do you like the idea of being close to a genocidal son murdering God?

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    Only he wasn't and you should be damned ashamed for saying that! He never advocated murder. He came to SAVE humanity from sin and has accomplished that through his crucifixion. Being aligned with Jesus Christ is being aligned with Love, Light and Truth. With it come forgiveness for transgressions, compassion and living a life as Jesus said we must do. Those who defy His infinite wisdom, because He is omniscient, are inviting peril into their own life.

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