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    Veteran Member Czernobog's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Most of the bibles that I linked to agree with me and don't kill me with your semantics.

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    Except, what you are arguing is semantics. Semantics is literally, "the study of meaning". So, you are, quite literally, arguing semantics. You're just doing it badly. Nowhere, in the Old Testament, does the word adam mean "society". It does, occasionally, mean, "mankind", however, society, and mankind are two entirely separate things.

    At best, you could suggest that the English version of the Bible got the translation wrong, and the story was meant to say that God created Man - as in the race of man - out of the dust, and woman - as in the race of woman - out of one side of Man. You could argue that by race, it means there was a whole race of human beings created in this manner. However, that argument kinda falls apart when Adam, and Eve have two sons - Cain, and Abel. Kinda hard for an entire race of people to have two, named, children.

    So, by the time we get to Cain, and Abel, we are forced back to the realisation that the story of Adam and Eve is one of two things:
    Either it is an allegory of the origin of Man - which is what most modern Christians, and, I think - although Ian would have to confirm that for me - most modern Jews, say,
    Or it was a true, and accurate description, assuming that one accepts the Bible as a valid source, of the origin of humanity.

    Your version of "adam" falls apart with the having children part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    The old Pascal's wager reply....it really doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not because none of it exists anyway.
    Pascal's Wager collapses though when you ask

    "WHICH God should I believe in? According to Pascal's Wager, if I choose Vishnu, not Jehovah...I go to Hell.

    But if I choose Jehovah...and Vishnu is the 'real God', I risk being reincarnated as a cobra?"



    BTW, notice how Spookycolt's versions of Heaven and Hell are both malicious....and child-like. He could never think beyond some elementary school version of eschatology....questions like "How does a loving and merciful God torture his 'children' for ALL ETERNITY over disbelief?"...

    or...."What will you DO in Heaven for ALL ETERNITY...that wouldn't, after a few million years...get boring?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    None of them said "adam" meant "society" or "tribe." "Mankind" is not the same thing.


    And spoil all my fun?
    Is mankind not made up of societies and tribes?

    But enough of semantics. I have bigger fish to catch and hope you do as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Except, what you are arguing is semantics. Semantics is literally, "the study of meaning". So, you are, quite literally, arguing semantics. You're just doing it badly. Nowhere, in the Old Testament, does the word adam mean "society". It does, occasionally, mean, "mankind", however, society, and mankind are two entirely separate things.

    At best, you could suggest that the English version of the Bible got the translation wrong, and the story was meant to say that God created Man - as in the race of man - out of the dust, and woman - as in the race of woman - out of one side of Man. You could argue that by race, it means there was a whole race of human beings created in this manner. However, that argument kinda falls apart when Adam, and Eve have two sons - Cain, and Abel. Kinda hard for an entire race of people to have two, named, children.

    So, by the time we get to Cain, and Abel, we are forced back to the realisation that the story of Adam and Eve is one of two things:
    Either it is an allegory of the origin of Man - which is what most modern Christians, and, I think - although Ian would have to confirm that for me - most modern Jews, say,
    Or it was a true, and accurate description, assuming that one accepts the Bible as a valid source, of the origin of humanity.

    Your version of "adam" falls apart with the having children part.
    I spoke to the semantics just above and I hope Ian points to the Jewish view of the Cain and Able story being one of the Jews deciding to either stay as shepherds or becoming farmers.

    The Conflict Between Farmers and Shepherds - The Christian Humanist: *Politics *Religion *Ethics

    "Cain and Abel represent different tribal and cultural traditions and this story explains the struggle between two different ways of life in the ancient world,"

    There are dozens of conflicting explanation for the myth but this makes sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    He cited a Bible verse ...

    you said "Nuh-huh" and showed a "cool video with some Lite-Brite".


    Not sure you actually are in a position to declare OTHERS are "ignorant"???
    You also don't have any idea or less than an idea about the Christian religion. But that's not very important any longer in a time where godless Islamists murder innocent people in the name of god, where all mankind murders babies in their mother wombs, where soldiers and child soldiers all over the world call murder and mass-murder "defense", where people get a cup of hemlock instead of help, if they like to do suicide, where parliaments have the feeling to be doctors so states produce drugs ...

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