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    Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?

    Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?

    God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.

    He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.

    Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    ... He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did. ...
    The timeline has always baffled me. Day one was the separation of light and darkness. Day two was skies and oceans. Day three was oceans and land. So depending on how you slice it, there was no earth until day two or three of creation. So when were Lucifer and his followers cast from Heaven?

    He was in Eden, so he was on earth during the first week - but that doesn't necessarily mean he was cast out prior. But in Isaiah 14:12–14 (which describes the fall), Lucifer is referenced as "you who laid the nations low. This implies that the fall took place sometime after the existence of "nations."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    But in Isaiah 14:12–14 (which describes the fall [of Lucifer])....
    That, of course, is a Xian interpretation, injecting Ha-satan where he is not referenced. See the Rashi commentary:

    Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 14:12

    The "morning star" has nothing to do with the satan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?

    God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.

    He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.

    Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?

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    Because it makes the story more exciting, and also gives people something to blame for God's creation being imperfect and riddled with evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    The timeline has always baffled me. Day one was the separation of light and darkness. Day two was skies and oceans. Day three was oceans and land. So depending on how you slice it, there was no earth until day two or three of creation. So when were Lucifer and his followers cast from Heaven?

    He was in Eden, so he was on earth during the first week - but that doesn't necessarily mean he was cast out prior. But in Isaiah 14:12–14 (which describes the fall), Lucifer is referenced as "you who laid the nations low. This implies that the fall took place sometime after the existence of "nations."
    Indeed, and that blends well with the fact that adam, with a lower case, a means society or tribe in the Jewish language.

    This should be the proper way to read Genesis so that Cain can later have the available labor to build a city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Because it makes the story more exciting, and also gives people something to blame for God's creation being imperfect and riddled with evil.
    Yes, and then sending us to hell for being as he created us to be.

    Nothing quite like taking responsibility for your actions. Then again, he had Jesus do that for him.

    All part of why I call Yahweh a vile demiurge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Indeed, and that blends well with the fact that adam, with a lower case, a means society or tribe in the Jewish language.
    First of all, it is the Hebrew language, not the "Jewish" language.

    Second of all, there is no upper case or lower case in Hebrew.

    Third of all, "adam" or אדם means "person." "Society" is חֶברָה and "tribe" is שֶׁבֶט.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...ish+dictionary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?

    God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.

    He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.

    Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?

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    What are you basing this nonsense on? Satan and Lucifer where never proven to be the same being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    What are you basing this nonsense on? Satan and Lucifer where never proven to be the same being.
    Satan and Lucifer were never proven. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    The timeline has always baffled me. Day one was the separation of light and darkness. Day two was skies and oceans. Day three was oceans and land. So depending on how you slice it, there was no earth until day two or three of creation. So when were Lucifer and his followers cast from Heaven?

    He was in Eden, so he was on earth during the first week - but that doesn't necessarily mean he was cast out prior. But in Isaiah 14:12–14 (which describes the fall), Lucifer is referenced as "you who laid the nations low. This implies that the fall took place sometime after the existence of "nations."
    You don't know the timeline of God.

    You are looking at them through human perception.

    If you believe those timelines are literal you believe people lived till 900 yrs. old or so back then.

    That is unrealistic.

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