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    See, theists always want to point to Communist regimes as the "example" of Atheism, and government intersection. Except it's not. In fact, it is the exact opposite. Communism is the example of the spectrum opposite of Theocracy. No government should ever force a belief system - whether that belief system be a religion, or a rejection of religious belief. Forced theology, regardless of what that theology is is always repressive, and never a good idea. Enlightened atheism celebrates freedom of thought, personal choice, and personal responsibility. For this reason, enlightened atheists never seek to use the government to restrict anyone from practicing their personal religious practices. Atheists only seek to prevent any religion from gaining a foothold in governance, law-making, or the ability to influence other in their personal choices based on religious ethical opinions.
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    Yeah, I don't really see that as violent atheism,
    So THIS:

    In Paris, over a forty-eight-hour period beginning on 2 September 1792, as the Legislative Assembly (successor to the National Constituent Assembly) dissolved into chaos, three Church bishops and more than two hundred priests were massacred by angry mobs; this constituted part of what would become known as the September Massacres. Priests were among those drowned in mass executions (noyades) for treason under the direction of Jean-Baptiste Carrier; priests and nuns were among the mass executions at Lyons, for separatism, on the orders of Joseph Fouché and Collot d'Herbois. Hundreds more priests were imprisoned and made to suffer in abominable conditions in the port of Rochefort.
    fails to meet your "standard" for "violence," even as you make the claim that our fighting in Iraq, is based on Christian dogma?

    In other words, it was political, and ideological, not theological. And we all see from history how well that worked out.
    --Just as how many of the Christophobes in America are basing their hatred on politics, not religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdzeyez View Post
    Show us some credible evidence that this is happening now in the US.
    Right after you provide me with credible evidence that Christianity is a "violent" faith.

    How "Christian Dominionists" are about to "install a Christian Theocracy...."

    I will readily admit that the Christian faith HAS had dark episodes (that is in the History books), and that SOME today, who call themselves "Christian" can do violence.

    However. Nowhere NEAR the degree of Muslims.

    Now. Based on your political affiliation, and possible status as a full blown Christophobe, I, in no way, expect you to be honest and state that "Sure, Atheists can be violent too!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    That's cool.

    Would you like to comment on my post now, or, is there a squirrel outside your window you would prefer to tell us about?
    Thank you for explaining to all us liberals why we suck.

    We need this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Thank you for explaining to all us liberals why we suck.

    We need this.
    That wasn't this post. (I got others in which I lay that case out...although, not without much help and aid, from Liberals themselves!)

    In the post you quoted, I was only trying to nudge Picturetaker into you know...discussing the actual topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdzeyez View Post
    You're right. You DID waste your time. I was just expecting to see references to examples true Christophobia, such as the defacing of and property damage to, Christian churches, with clear messages that they were indeed targeted precisely because they were Christian churches; or the violent assault on individuals or groups of Christians, again with the clear message that they were targeted precisely because they were Christian. Instead, you provide examples of people either pointing out the darker chapters of the history of Christianity (which are true, BTW) or expressing reasonable objections to the unreasonable push to shove Christianity down the throats of unwilling believers. I guess objecting to that is "Christophobia."
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    "Separation of church and state" doesn't have much meaning to those in most Islamic States.

    It does to most Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    So THIS:



    fails to meet your "standard" for "violence," even as you make the claim that our fighting in Iraq, is based on Christian dogma?



    --Just as how many of the Christophobes in America are basing their hatred on politics, not religion?
    You misunderstand. I'm not saying it wasn't violent. Just that it wasn't about atheism vs Religion. It was aristocracy - backed by religious oppression - vs the common people. The French revolution wasn't a religious one; it was a political one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Right after you provide me with credible evidence that Christianity is a "violent" faith.

    How "Christian Dominionists" are about to "install a Christian Theocracy...."

    I will readily admit that the Christian faith HAS had dark episodes (that is in the History books), and that SOME today, who call themselves "Christian" can do violence.

    However. Nowhere NEAR the degree of Muslims.

    Now. Based on your political affiliation, and possible status as a full blown Christophobe, I, in no way, expect you to be honest and state that "Sure, Atheists can be violent too!"
    Wow, that's quite some deflection there! I didn't make those claims, so I shouldn't be asked to prove anything. But since you choose to hurl personal attacks at me, I guess you're not interested in serious discussion.

    BTW, I'm a Christian. I just have no use for so-called Christians who seek to shove religion (specifically, in this country, Christianity) down others' throats in the form of insinuating religion in schools or in our laws.
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    Selling Ideological Contradictions

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    What is stopping Christians from re-embracing their own old warrior ideology?
    A simple fact that it is antithetical with the doctrine .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_War_Against_the_Turk
    He also argued that the fight against the Turks should not be a holy war, but only a secular one, made in self-defense, and led by the secular authorities of the Emperor and the Princes, and strongly warned against leading it as a religious war:

    "...as though our people were an army of Christians against the Turks, who were enemies of Christ. This is absolutely contrary to Christ's doctrine and name"

    — Excerpt from On war against the Turk, 1529.[9]


    * Yeah Well World If Rampant With Fools *

    The qurayn directs the implementation of a political system through , and with , aggression to include violating non aggression principles .

    The gospel does not direct the implementation of a political system through , or with , aggression .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    [IMG]https://jennicontrisciani.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/crusades.jpg[IMG]
    The Russians sure seem to have done that by now
    [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R2kBBLZ-vhs/VdC1FrzDYRI/AAAAAAAAAl4/oEo3XICX8W8/s1600/orthodox.jpg[IMG]
    lol
    Priest blessing troops on board carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov", on way to Syria
    Priest blessing Russian fighter jets at an air base in Crimea
    High-ranking cleric, regional bishop, I believe, blesses jets which later went to participate in missions in Syria
    Russian soldier kisses a cross as a priest blesses him
    Elderly priest prepares young Paratroopers (fresh recruits, just graduated from the Academy) for a mess service as part of their initiation ceremony
    Same for other Orthodox Christian nations in former USSR.
    Georgia
    Ukraine
    Ukraine Donbass separatists
    Separatist leader Aleksandr Zakharchenko kisses a high ranking priest during a ceremony.
    Ukrainian priests have gone to front lines in Donbass and posed with weapons, to encourage their side: https://www.facenews.ua/images/doc/4...a7--------.jpg
    Meanwhile, on separatist side, a number of priests, local and from Russia, are known to have actually joined in combat: http://nashaplaneta.su/_bl/642/97112464.jpg
    Big misconception, it is, that Christianity is less of a warrior faith than Islam. In the West, perhaps...
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    No doubt , the mussel man is waiting on the return of the militant jesus , while offering ignorant references to luke 29 and matthew 10 , and pandering surah 2 with purposeful deceit .

    - Surah (Chapter) 9. At Taubah
    9:111 Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

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