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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    we are made in the image of our parents and their ancestors.

    So if anybody after Adam said or says "God created me"....that is false? They were created by their parents and ancestors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    It is funny how you presume to know what other people believe and end up looking dumb every single time.
    Except it's exactly what you did in Post #45. You simply blamed humans for why God's love IS conditional....then went on another filibuster about our "physical bodies" that had nothing to do with Djinn's question.


    And then you also did as I predicted....resorted to personal insults.


    Your M.O. is completely predictable now.

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    BTW, back on topic, let me summarize it even more simply....


    to the Believer, who also believes in Free Will......God can't "stop us from going to Hell if that's what we 'choose'."....


    ergo, they are saying our Free Will is MORE POWERFUL than God, because it can over-ride his desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Your lack of personal experience from 1874 is not the result of amnesia - it's the result of your not existing in 1874. Likewise, you didn't exist ten thousand, or ten million years ago.
    I didn't say personal experience. I said, human experience.

    But more to the point -- do you know of any instance when matter or energy was created out of nothing or annihilated into nothing? Remember, there is such a thing as conservation of matter and energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    I didn't say personal experience. I said, human experience.

    But more to the point -- do you know of any instance when matter or energy was created out of nothing or annihilated into nothing? Remember, there is such a thing as conservation of matter and energy.
    Black Hole.. In the beginning there was a firmament... (everything was as one)... matter and energy are one in the same...

    Then God said let there be light, what happens if a Black hole releases the trapped energy and matter. a heck of a lot of energy will be realsed and create a great light. Quazar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    But "responding to it" is a condition.

    IF you don't respond to divine grace THEN it is withheld.

    That's a condition.
    What?

    If you do not respond to divine grace, you simply are not a party to it. It isn't withheld because it is always there. And it will be there when you are ready to respond to it.

    I'm not sure what exactly is difficult to understand in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Black Hole.. In the beginning there was a firmament... (everything was as one)... matter and energy are one in the same...

    Then God said let there be light, what happens if a Black hole releases the trapped energy and matter. a heck of a lot of energy will be realsed and create a great light. Quazar.
    You mean singularity.

    I asked 'within the human experience'. I meant demonstrable knowledge -- something observed. We come to know about singularities through a priori knowledge -- what we can know without experiencing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Except it's exactly what you did in Post #45. You simply blamed humans for why God's love IS conditional....then went on another filibuster about our "physical bodies" that had nothing to do with Djinn's question.
    What the hell are you talking about? I said human nature is conditional.

    It owe's its being to divine grace and its continued existence is dependent on divine grace.

    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    And then you also did as I predicted....resorted to personal insults.
    You know the post number but for some unknown reason, you cannot say what was explicitly posted there.

    And you blame me for my utter contempt with your posts?

    Uhmmm...duh?

    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Your M.O. is completely predictable now.
    You cannot even say what was explicitly stated and now you claim to predict things? I very much doubt that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    BTW, back on topic, let me summarize it even more simply....


    to the Believer, who also believes in Free Will......God can't "stop us from going to Hell if that's what we 'choose'."....


    ergo, they are saying our Free Will is MORE POWERFUL than God, because it can over-ride his desire.
    So, you are more powerful? You can undo creation on the strength of your free will alone? Please, I want a demonstration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    I didn't say personal experience. I said, human experience.

    But more to the point -- do you know of any instance when matter or energy was created out of nothing or annihilated into nothing? Remember, there is such a thing as conservation of matter and energy.
    As best we understand it, consciousness is neither matter, nor energy. Therefore the conservation laws do not apply.

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