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    Why is it you spout stupid comments about this guy god and his grace as though they are fact? You have no proof the guy even exists much less that he was full of grace.
    Why is it that you spout stupid questions that are irrelevant to the thread?

    This is not an argument of whether god exists or not.

    This is an argument about whether christian theology has an internal logical consistency if one assumes the christian god exists.

    Uhmmm...duh?

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    Just because I may not have the answer to the question of how I came to exist does not mean I need to make up a fairy tale about some guy named god. Weak people like you need to make up that story. I'm content saying I don't have the answer and not having that answer is never going to be evidence that your fairy tale is true.
    Need I remind you of the rules of epistemology.

    You do not know how mankind can exist without god but you are quite sure god does not exist.

    Duh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Need I remind you of the rules of epistemology.

    You do not know how mankind can exist without god but you are quite sure god does not exist.

    Duh?
    I think religion is a lot like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it but please stop whipping it out in public and trying to shove it down my throat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Why is it that you spout stupid questions that are irrelevant to the thread?

    This is not an argument of whether god exists or not.

    This is an argument about whether christian theology has an internal logical consistency if one assumes the christian god exists.

    Uhmmm...duh?

    logical consistency?

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    So, you are more powerful? You can undo creation on the strength of your free will alone? Please, I want a demonstration.
    In your beliefs?....and in terms of my own "soul"....

    who has more power to control its ultimate destiny?

    me or God?

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    logical consistency?



    What's interesting is....that the fervant believer will take issue with the LANGUAGE used in your jpeg....but cannot actually refute that it is an accurate portrayal of Christian dogma.

    They won't like how it's "phrased"....but it is completely accurate and they can't refute that. Watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    logical consistency?

    https://www.crcna.org/welcome/belief...s/nicene-creed

    We believe in one God,
    the Father almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all things visible and invisible.
    And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    begotten from the Father before all ages,
    God from God,
    Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made;
    of the same essence as the Father.
    Through him all things were made.
    For us and for our salvation
    he came down from heaven;
    he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
    and was made human.
    He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
    he suffered and was buried.
    The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
    He ascended to heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again with glory
    to judge the living and the dead.
    His kingdom will never end.
    And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
    the Lord, the giver of life.
    He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
    and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
    He spoke through the prophets.
    We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
    We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
    We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
    and to life in the world to come. Amen.

    Is that clear enough -- as far as what christians believe -- or do I need to dumb this down for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    In your beliefs?....and in terms of my own "soul"....

    who has more power to control its ultimate destiny?

    me or God?
    So, you cannot demonstrate that you are more powerful than the creator?

    Then your conclusion is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    What's interesting is....that the fervant believer will take issue with the LANGUAGE used in your jpeg....but cannot actually refute that it is an accurate portrayal of Christian dogma.

    They won't like how it's "phrased"....but it is completely accurate and they can't refute that. Watch.
    So, what exactly in the jpeg has a remotely similar meaning in the nicene creed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    https://www.crcna.org/welcome/belief...s/nicene-creed

    Is that clear enough -- as far as what christians believe -- or do I need to dumb this down for you?
    See? Told ya...

    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    They won't like how it's "phrased"....but it is completely accurate and they can't refute that. Watch.

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