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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Islam is doing the same and far more and as expected you will give it a pass.
    Oh, I don't disagree at all. In fact Islam is even worse. Islam is more like Medieval Christianity, when they relied on Crusades, and Inquisitions. Today's Christianity just wants to talk, and legislate obedience. Islam still wants to kill their way into supremacy. But, then, Christianity has been around longer. Give Islam another couple hundred years, and they'll probably calm down, too

    And, incidentally, I give neither religion a pass. I am an atheist. I find all religion to be irrational, irresponsible, and a threat to reason and logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Wellll...except he didn't just say that, did he? Had he just said that, and left it there, there would have been no problem. But, he followed that up with, "Do things my way, or I am going to flay the skin off your bones for all eternity" (yes, that is a paraphrase, not a direct quotation from any point in the Bible). Therein lies my problem. When you deliver a "choice", in which the consequences of one option are too severe for a reasonable person to consider subjecting one's self to, then the choice ceases to be choice, and becomes coercion.
    If you don't believe any of this then why is it of concern to you? Just go about your business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    If you don't believe any of this then why is it of concern to you? Just go about your business.
    I refer you back to my OP in response to that particular deflection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Oh, I don't disagree at all. In fact Islam is even worse. Islam is more like Medieval Christianity, when they relied on Crusades, and Inquisitions. Today's Christianity just wants to talk, and legislate obedience. Islam still wants to kill their way into supremacy. But, then, Christianity has been around longer. Give Islam another couple hundred years, and they'll probably calm down, too

    And, incidentally, I give neither religion a pass. I am an atheist. I find all religion to be irrational, irresponsible, and a threat to reason and logic.
    So why are you all worked up over it? Why be concerned about something you have no part in? No one is compelling you to follow this religious system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    So why are you all worked up over it? Why be concerned about something you have no part in? No one is compelling you to follow this religious system.
    Who said I was "worked up"? I presented a rational proposition for discussion, and debate. You seem rather angry that someone might be challenging your preconceived notions of your faith...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Proposed: The Christian God is a tyrant determined to force everyone on the planet to convert to Christianity, and worship as a Christian, and the illusion of "Free Will" is a pretence that he created to convince you that observance was your own idea.

    Otherwise, why fill the Bible with references of the eternal torture, and suffering that would befall non-believers after judgement, when one dies. Now, the first question that is going to be asked is going to be an attempt at a distraction: "Why should I care what the Bible says, since I'm an Atheist?" However, it doesn't matter what my theological position is, does it? "The truth is the truth," right? So, if the Bible is the Truth, then the things that are in the Bible are "the Truth" whether I believe them, or not. Which, brings us right back around to my question. If God is not a tyrant, and does not demand worship from everyone, then why threaten anyone who does not believe? If God does not care one way, or the other, if someone chooses to believe, or not, why bother with all of the threats?
    If you are not a believer, then, your concerns are akin to worrying about Santa putting only coal in your stocking, instead of bringing you that shiny new bike.

    Why does the temperament of a God, you do not believe in, concern you so much?

    (Seriously....I'm not concerned at the idea of punishment visited upon me by Kali. Not in the least....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Oh, I don't disagree at all. In fact Islam is even worse. Islam is more like Medieval Christianity, when they relied on Crusades, and Inquisitions. Today's Christianity just wants to talk, and legislate obedience. Islam still wants to kill their way into supremacy. But, then, Christianity has been around longer. Give Islam another couple hundred years, and they'll probably calm down, too

    And, incidentally, I give neither religion a pass. I am an atheist. I find all religion to be irrational, irresponsible, and a threat to reason and logic.
    I'm seeing how you get your panties in a wad at your hatred of Christians and wondering if you're really not mad at yourself because you're unable to apply logic and reason to the discussion. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    It's the nature of the "other House" I have a problem with. It's not like God says, "Hey, follow me, and you get to live on Park Avenue. And if you don't, you have to settle for living in Long Island," as if both places are perfectly nice, and it's just really a choice of where do you want to spend your eternity. No. It's, "Follow me, and you get to live in Park Avenue, otherwise, I'm going to send off to Cabrini Green, and I am going to populate it with all of the rats, and roaches, and ever other kind of filth, and disease, and any other thing that ever filled your darkest dreams, and you get to spend eternity there,"

    You want to act as if people are being given equal, or at least, relatively comparable, choices. They're not. That is what makes it coercion.
    You do not understand the Christian Faith.

    I am still wondering why you take such issue with the tenets of a Faith that you do not believe in?

    Are you as concerned with the Jedi's restriction on Love, or, the Samurai's strict adherence to the Bushido Code?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Yer just pissed cause He said you shouldn't fuck dudes.
    And you just love him because he makes you think you're superior to women
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    If you are not a believer, then, your concerns are akin to worrying about Santa putting only coal in your stocking, instead of bringing you that shiny new bike.

    Why does the temperament of a God, you do not believe in, concern you so much?

    (Seriously....I'm not concerned at the idea of punishment visited upon me by Kali. Not in the least....)
    So, you are admitting that God is no different than Santa? Alrighty, then. Never mind. I withdraw my proposal.

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