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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    You do not understand the Christian Faith.

    I am still wondering why you take such issue with the tenets of a Faith that you do not believe in?

    Are you as concerned with the Jedi's restriction on Love, or, the Samurai's strict adherence to the Bushido Code?
    Because those tenets of faith claim to have the authority to visit those threats on me. Are you familiar with Pascal's Divine Wager?

    God exists, or he doesn't.

    If he exists, and you side with God, you gain everlasting life, heaven, and leasure at his side. If he doesn't, and you side with God, You live a good life, you live, you die, and you lose nothing.

    If God exists, and you side against him, you pay the price of Hell, eternal separation from God, eternal pain, and suffering, and the torture of damnation. If he doesn't, and you side against God, you live, you die, and you gain nothing.

    You see the part I highlighted, there? That would refer to those of us who, as you pointed out, do not believe in your faith. So, the very tenets of your faith, should you prove correct, propose that we are going to be punished for doing nothing more than living life according to our best understanding of life.

    And you cannot understand why there are those of us who do not believe in your faith who might, still, take issue with the tenets of that faith? Really?

    Does the Jedi restriction on love extend to those who are not Jedi? Does the Bushido code presume to have authority over those who are not Samurai? Does Christianity presume to have authority over non-Christians? The answer to only one of those questions is, "Yes," and it is neither of the former.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    And you just love him because he makes you think you're superior to women
    Another Isalexi post.

    Another Isalexi lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    So, you are admitting that God is no different than Santa? Alrighty, then. Never mind. I withdraw my proposal.
    Well, He is in your eyes, isn't He?

    Nice deflection, but you fail to answer WHY you have such deep concerns about the temperment of someone, or something, you do not believe in.

    (You are sorta daft, aren't you?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    And you just love him because he makes you think you're superior to women
    That is not true. I am sure you are referencing Ephesians

    The First statement on the treatment of a husband and wife is SUBMIT ONE TO ANOTHER..

    Then it tells Husbands to treat their wife as Christ loved the church.

    Who what who's feet, did Christ wash the Apostles' feet or did the Apostles wash Christ's Feet?

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    Yes, he is our comforter.
    A blankie works better.

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    Right or wrong, fair or not, that is what is going to happen to you one way or the other and there is not a single thing you can do about it.

    So given that inevitability which way are you going to choose?

    Live in paradise and be grumpy with God or suffer for eternity in Hell and be pissed at Him?

    You have no other options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Proposed: The Christian God is a tyrant determined to force everyone on the planet to convert to Christianity, and worship as a Christian, and the illusion of "Free Will" is a pretence that he created to convince you that observance was your own idea.

    Otherwise, why fill the Bible with references of the eternal torture, and suffering that would befall non-believers after judgement, when one dies. Now, the first question that is going to be asked is going to be an attempt at a distraction: "Why should I care what the Bible says, since I'm an Atheist?" However, it doesn't matter what my theological position is, does it? "The truth is the truth," right? So, if the Bible is the Truth, then the things that are in the Bible are "the Truth" whether I believe them, or not. Which, brings us right back around to my question. If God is not a tyrant, and does not demand worship from everyone, then why threaten anyone who does not believe? If God does not care one way, or the other, if someone chooses to believe, or not, why bother with all of the threats?
    The Books of the Bible (it's not one book) and there is a difference that defines and separates Christianity and Judaism (Old and New Testaments). All of it written by human beings based on beliefs human beings have. The books of the Bible are full of contradictions in terms, as are human beliefs and opinions. There is as much good in the Books of Bible (based on human belief) as there is bad (the same as in human society, with or without religion involved). Many people around the globe have a belief in some set of values, whether it involves god(s), spiritual entities or other entities or not. Unfortunately, humans have created and formed tribes around all manner of things, including religions and non-believers in religion. For Christianity, there are tribes (MANY MANY MANY of them) within and under the umbrella of "Christianity" and they all interpret their "books" and scripture differently and in some cases radically in opposition to one another, in some cases, totally ignoring obvious parts of the "books" included in the "books" defining "Christianity".

    I have no problems with people who believe in god(s) or spiritual entities or people who do not believe in any god(s) or spiritual entities. I have problems with ANY humans that want to force their beliefs on others without compromise or balance, especially when it truly harms people.

    What humanity may need, more than anything, is to come together and agree on what are universal values, regardless of what religion one follows or whether one follows any religion or believes in any god(s) or spiritual entities or NOT and once agreed on, hold one another to them. What seems to be tearing humanity apart are subjective values where nothing is "wrong" if we are doing it, it is only "wrong" when someone else is doing it. Based on that, any discussion of values is BS, because they simply do not exist if they do not exist and are applied to all people, including ourselves.

    It should NOT be rocket science to observe and use thousands of years of history and thousands, perhaps millions of historical observations of history that follow patterns and conclusions as to what human actions, traits and characteristics (none having to do with tribes or groups or physical attributes/characteristics) are "bad" for humanity (those that create massive strife, anger, sadness, crime, tragedy, hardship, hate. etc.) and which are "good" for humanity (those that create massive happiness, joy, prosperity (not necessarily monetary or material) friendship, kindness, honesty, generosity, caring, humanity, etc.)

    Until that happens, people will continue to "side up" and blame one another, never themselves, for humanities woes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Proposed: The Christian God is a tyrant determined to force everyone on the planet to convert to Christianity, and worship as a Christian, and the illusion of "Free Will" is a pretence that he created to convince you that observance was your own idea.

    Otherwise, why fill the Bible with references of the eternal torture, and suffering that would befall non-believers after judgement, when one dies. Now, the first question that is going to be asked is going to be an attempt at a distraction: "Why should I care what the Bible says, since I'm an Atheist?" However, it doesn't matter what my theological position is, does it? "The truth is the truth," right? So, if the Bible is the Truth, then the things that are in the Bible are "the Truth" whether I believe them, or not. Which, brings us right back around to my question. If God is not a tyrant, and does not demand worship from everyone, then why threaten anyone who does not believe? If God does not care one way, or the other, if someone chooses to believe, or not, why bother with all of the threats?
    Principles of Tyranny
    Definition of tyranny

    Tyranny is usually thought of as cruel and oppressive, and it often is, but the original definition of the term was rule by persons who lack legitimacy, whether they be malign or benevolent. Historically, benign tyrannies have tended to be insecure, and to try to maintain their power by becoming increasingly oppressive. Therefore, rule that initially seems benign is inherently dangerous, and the only security is to maintain legitimacy an unbroken accountability to the people through the framework of a written constitution that provides for election of key officials and the division of powers among branches and officials in a way that avoids concentration of powers in the hands of a few persons who might then abuse those powers.

    So, no. God couldn't possibly be a tyrant simply because he is the creator of everything in everything -- hence LEGITIMATE. And even in this absolute legitimacy, you are allowed your free will to post inanities here -- proof of the benevolence in the exercise of that absolute power.

    Uhmmm...duh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    That's a lie, because the proposition includes an "...or else" clause. God, the Bible, and mainstream Christianity includes the threat of the "alternative" in the equation that you want to pretend isn't present. Look at Pascal's Divine Wager, and the true nature of the threat becomes clear.
    There is no Or else.. you get what you want YOU DON'T WANT TO BE WITH GOD, NOW YOU ARE PISSED HE SAYS OKAY..

    Make up you darn mind.. I have never seen any group (other than democrats) that whine more than athiests.. you guys are the saddest lot.

    you are pissed at this pissed at that... If you don't BELIEVE leave us the hell alone and let us enjoy our JOY AND SALVATION.

    God told me to tell you about him. He loves you and wants to spend eternity with you.. Do you want to spend it with him.

    Yes.. Okay Go on your way and live your life, and eternal life with him is YOURS

    No.. Okay go on your way live your life, and you have eternal life without God in your eternal life..

    HE IS OFFERING YOU WHAT YOU WISH.. HE IS OFFERING ME WHAT I WISH.. you should be HAPPY HAPPY.. that GOD isn't telling me to Cut your head off like some other's god(s) are telling them. he told me to dust off my feet and go about my life if you did not believe what I tell you about him.

    No,

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