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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Just stating a fact.

    You will spend eternity in bliss or torture, which will you decide?

    You have no other options.
    I think I'll take torture. I don't respond well to bullies. And how pathetic are you that you just give in to bullies, and roll over. And this coming from the guy who has bragged about all the times he has "stood up for his principles". I find that hard to belief from someone who cowardly just rolls over for bullies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Proposed: The Christian God is a tyrant determined to force everyone on the planet to convert to Christianity, and worship as a Christian, and the illusion of "Free Will" is a pretence that he created to convince you that observance was your own idea.

    Otherwise, why fill the Bible with references of the eternal torture, and suffering that would befall non-believers after judgement, when one dies. Now, the first question that is going to be asked is going to be an attempt at a distraction: "Why should I care what the Bible says, since I'm an Atheist?" However, it doesn't matter what my theological position is, does it? "The truth is the truth," right? So, if the Bible is the Truth, then the things that are in the Bible are "the Truth" whether I believe them, or not. Which, brings us right back around to my question. If God is not a tyrant, and does not demand worship from everyone, then why threaten anyone who does not believe? If God does not care one way, or the other, if someone chooses to believe, or not, why bother with all of the threats?
    Not sure its really the bible that says things about hell and what not, its a hole humans that didn't really pay attention to the things Jesus said. Unfortunately there are way too many of them.

    But if you want people to worship you (why would a god even need that, that's a human trait of requiring worship, things ancient kings demanded of their kingdoms, and their people often viewed them as a god) then you should provide some proof, not expect people to believe ridiculous stories by men known to be dishonest and exaggerate things, and not by force, which was huge in the spread of Christianity

    Before I even read on, let me guess, there are likely several right winger posts in this thread whining about christian bashing. I can probably even name them. One begins with an R

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    Not sure its really the bible that says things about hell and what not, its a hole humans that didn't really pay attention to the things Jesus said. Unfortunately there are way too many of them.

    But if you want people to worship you (why would a god even need that, that's a human trait of requiring worship, things ancient kings demanded of their kingdoms, and their people often viewed them as a god) then you should provide some proof, not expect people to believe ridiculous stories by men known to be dishonest and exaggerate things, and not by force, which was huge in the spread of Christianity

    Before I even read on, let me guess, there are likely several right winger posts in this thread whining about christian bashing. I can probably even name them. One begins with an R
    holy shit, its even dumber than I thought LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Yer just pissed cause He said you shouldn't fuck dudes.
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    Typical Liberal response: "Give me, what I have never sought to earn. In fact, give me a place in your home, even though I reject you, or else you are 'evil.'"

    How fucking spoiled can one be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Well, He is in your eyes, isn't He?

    Nice deflection, but you fail to answer WHY you have such deep concerns about the temperment of someone, or something, you do not believe in.

    (You are sorta daft, aren't you?)
    You have the nerve to talk about deflection when this is your first response

    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Yer just pissed cause He said you shouldn't fuck dudes.
    LOL Ah, Rorscach, the PH court jester



    [here comes a completely stupid response like "oh,nice picture of yourself"]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    Not sure its really the bible that says things about hell and what not, its a hole humans that didn't really pay attention to the things Jesus said. Unfortunately there are way too many of them.
    Actually, though not specifically called Hell, by name, the "judgement, and condemnation" of non-believers was pretty clearly, and vividly described in the book of Revelation. Specifically the final verses (11-15) of chapter 20:

    11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    But if you want people to worship you (why would a god even need that, that's a human trait of requiring worship, things ancient kings demanded of their kingdoms, and their people often viewed them as a god) then you should provide some proof, not expect people to believe ridiculous stories by men known to be dishonest and exaggerate things, and not by force, which was huge in the spread of Christianity

    Before I even read on, let me guess, there are likely several right winger posts in this thread whining about christian bashing. I can probably even name them. One begins with an R
    Well, and the only other real response I got basically amounted to, "Yeah, God's a bully. What're you gonna do about it?" I don't know if I should be impressed with the brazen honesty, or offended, and disgusted with the brazen lack of respect, and human decency involved in such a confession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Let's put in these terms....


    You live on an island. The Island has a King. He is not elected nor can ever be removed from office by the People. His powers are absolute and there is NO court of appeal to his decisions.

    The King has a set of Rules, that He created. And he says, "Love and worship me...and obey my Rules. And at your age of seniority, I will give you a luxurious mansion, free food and drink, endless recreation, and all the money you want."


    He adds though "However if you fail to obey my Rules...if you fail to love and worship me.....even if you move to the other side of the Island and ignore me? I will send my soldiers out to find you and take you to a place of darkness, where you be tortured."

    "Oh, but you have Free Will to choose which scenario you like....and of course I love you."
    What nonsense are you spouting about now, eh?

    The better analogy is if you CREATE a computer program that simulates artificial intelligence.

    If you use it according to the parameters of the logic you CREATED, it does amazing, life changing things.

    If you use erroneous logic, it ceases to function the way it was CREATED to function.

    An amazing CREATION, rather that being this amazing thing, is suddenly reduced to a useless screen of blinking lights.

    Understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    So, your going to argue from antiquity. Okay. Then let's just keep this in modern terms that you cannot twist to mean things that were not intended. The Christian God is a bully that relies on coercion to force people into obedience. This is why he created Hell, and threatens non-adherents with eternal suffering, and punishment. Go ahead, Kingrat. Twist that into something I didn't mean.
    Again...

    If obedience to the law is the point, then creating inanimate objects eternally following the laws of nature would have sufficed. But obedience to the law isn't the point, now, is it?

    The point is creating BEINGS capable of loving and being loved. An existence with the capacity to love and being loved is most certainly better off than the existence of inanimate objects, wouldn't you say?

    But an existence with the capacity to love and being loved NECESSITATES rational thought and free will. And so, YOU CHOOSE either to stay true to your nature and be happy, or betray your nature and inadvertently annihilate yourself in the process.

    How then is god a 'bully that relies on coercion' eh? Do you prefer to kill yourself and go back to the existence of inanimate objects? By all means, that is your choice. You can do that and god wouldn't stop you. After all, you are an inanimate object and only through god's grace are you alive in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    What nonsense are you spouting about now, eh?

    The better analogy is if you CREATE a computer program that simulates artificial intelligence.

    If you use it according to the parameters of the logic you CREATED, it does amazing, life changing things.

    If you use erroneous logic, it ceases to function the way it was CREATED to function.

    An amazing CREATION, rather that being this amazing thing, is suddenly reduced to a useless screen of blinking lights.

    Understand?
    No, actually, Gordon's analogy is much closer. You are talking gibberish about functionality. I am talking about unjust punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Again...

    If obedience to the law is the point, then creating inanimate objects eternally following the laws of nature would have sufficed. But obedience to the law isn't the point, now, is it?

    The point is creating BEINGS capable of loving and being loved. An existence with the capacity to love and being loved is most certainly better off than the existence of inanimate objects, wouldn't you say?

    But an existence with the capacity to love and being loved NECESSITATES rational thought and free will. And so, YOU CHOOSE either to stay true to your nature and be happy, or betray your nature and inadvertently annihilate yourself in the process.

    How then is god a 'bully that relies on coercion' eh? Do you prefer to kill yourself and go back to the existence of inanimate objects? By all means, that is your choice. You can do that and god wouldn't stop you. After all, you are an inanimate object and only through god's grace are you alive in the first place.
    I see that you pout words together on the page. And, I'm sure that, somewhere in your mind, there was a logic to them, but all I see is gibberish. rational thought, and free will?

    When I sit you in a chair, put a gun to your head, and say, "sign over everything you own to me, or I put a bullet in your brain," You have rational free will, right? You can choose to sign everything over, or not. No one is taking away your right to make a choice.

    Hell is the gun at your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    No, actually, Gordon's analogy is much closer. You are talking gibberish about functionality. I am talking about unjust punishment.
    Really?

    Do you feel punished for doubting or maligning god in the public domain? It doesn't look that way to me. So, when did god impose an unjust punishment to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Really?

    Do you feel punished for doubting or maligning god in the public domain? It doesn't look that way to me. So, when did god impose an unjust punishment to you?
    What does Christianity promise God is going to do to all unbelievers in the "final judgement"? Using your word, "Duh,"

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