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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    I didn't ask the question. I answered it.
    Eh?

    The op is asking 2 questions.

    The answers pertain to the existence and nature of human free will.

    Except, you don't want an answer pertaining to the existence and nature of free will, ostensibly, because you cannot wrap your mind around the idea.

    So, stay away from threads that question the existence and nature of human free will -- and save yourself the embarrassment of appearing foolish.

    Uhmmm....duh?

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    Oh! And here I thought it was silly and made up. What could I have been thinking?


    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No, the Old testament is the first 2 ages of man.



    GOD gave mankind the opportunity to fix themselves in the age of man, Pre-law of Moses

    man could not bridge the gap of sin


    then God sent guidelines via the Law, this is the age of the Law..

    Man could not keep the law and bridge the gap of sin that separates us from God

    God became man and paid the price for sin.. bridging the gap between God and man due to sin. This is the Age of Grace

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Eh?

    The op is asking 2 questions.

    The answers pertain to the existence and nature of human free will.

    Except, you don't want an answer pertaining to the existence and nature of free will, ostensibly, because you cannot wrap your mind around the idea.

    So, stay away from threads that question the existence and nature of human free will -- and save yourself the embarrassment of appearing foolish.

    Uhmmm....duh?
    You can't wrap your head around the concept that you have been lied to your entire life and deep down you know you have...yet you refuse to not repeat the lie you've been fed since you were shitting yellow. It isn't my fault you people are gullible as you are... And, I'll post anywhere I Fucking want to and you can deal with it...or not. I personally don't give a fuck which road you take on that...

    Ummm....duh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No, the Old testament is the first 2 ages of man.



    GOD gave mankind the opportunity to fix themselves in the age of man, Pre-law of Moses

    man could not bridge the gap of sin


    then God sent guidelines via the Law, this is the age of the Law..

    Man could not keep the law and bridge the gap of sin that separates us from God

    God became man and paid the price for sin.. bridging the gap between God and man due to sin. This is the Age of Grace
    What utter, undiluted bullshit. You are an adult and you're spouting that crap...jesus isn't going to enforce the law...there is no law, and there is no jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Not at all.

    I actually live with zero fear and frankly, I am just sort of biding my time until I can leave this place.

    And I am not trying to convince you of anything, it's you who are hanging out in the religious forum.

    You are either searching for something or trolling or trying to convince people of your atheistic view.
    If it was true that you are just biding your time here, then leave the house without your white cane and walk out in front of a bus...jesus will be waiting on the other side for you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Why do you think everything happens is God's doing?

    Although the Bible doesn't specify it is my view that he created the world, did some intervention in the beginning times to get his name out there, then let the world go the way it will.

    Once His message was known, which it is for the most part, there is no reason for Him to interfere.

    If there is an earthquake it's probably just because of plate tectonics, not God.
    Here you have demonstrated one of my many problems with Xians. You state "Although the Bible doesn't specify it is my view..." sorry, you don't, or shouldn't, get to do that. Who the fuck are you? And why should anyone care who the fuck you are? jesus doesn't give you any credit in the bible...so why are you interpreting it all rogue like? You believe in mermaids. You have Zero credibility on this or any other subject due to that fact alone...not to mention all the other reasons no one should listen to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    1) God knows everything about us but we ourselves do not, hence the tests and trials. It's how we grow and learn.

    2) If God prevented people from doing evil he would remove their freewill and have nothing but a bunch of mindless drones who worship him. Your comparison of rape to letting a child make a mistake is foolish because the parent, according to God, should do the Christian thing and step in and save the woman being helped.


    God did not create evil, he created man and some men choose to do evil.

    Hell, even the angels have freewill and could, and have, gone against God.
    If god created mankind, he also 'created' their free will. Thus, 'created' them to choose, and to at times choose to do evil.

    I get that he needs entertainment, and would be bored out of his ass if all his minions would just do what he - supposedly - wants them to do.

    Yet, the main proof for him being non existent, is the fact that NOTHING I did or could have done in this -or any previous - life, could have been possibly evil enough to make me suffer through your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    1) God knows everything about us but we ourselves do not, hence the tests and trials. It's how we grow and learn.
    So, God, because he loves us so much, allows horrible, life-shattering things to happen to us, so that we can know ourselves? Well, gee. Thanks, God. I'm a pretty self-aware guy. You can knock the bullshit off, now. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    2) If God prevented people from doing evil he would remove their freewill and have nothing but a bunch of mindless drones who worship him. Your comparison of rape to letting a child make a mistake is foolish because the parent, according to God, should do the Christian thing and step in and save the woman being helped.
    Except he has. In fact. I was just recently told that the whole reason that God commanded, in 1st Sam 15:3 " Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (Yes, that is genocide, just so we are clear. God. Commanded. Genocide.), was because, according to Lev 18:3 - at least as interpreted by an Hassidic Jew, take that for what it is worth - "After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances." According to this Hasidic Jew, the Amalekites, literally, as a nation, committed every one of the sins that were listed throughout the rest of the book of Leviticus. Again, I will leave for another discussion my distrust of that claim, or whether it legitimises genocide. The point, for this discussion, is that, apparently, God can, does, and has decided that some people just need killing.

    Apparently the entire race of the Amalekites were so evil, that they required genocide. They required even the murder of their children, and infants. Now, we can discuss the completely sociopathic evil of a God who orders genocide another time. For now, clearly, when someone is evil enough, God has no problem wiping them out. Which begs the question, why doesn't he? Why does he pick, and choose who is "evil enough"? Why does he remove some "evil" people from the equation, and decide that other victims just weren't worth the effort?
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    Mindless drones who worship him? Wait! Are we talking about god or Trump?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    1) God knows everything about us but we ourselves do not, hence the tests and trials. It's how we grow and learn.

    2) If God prevented people from doing evil he would remove their freewill and have nothing but a bunch of mindless drones who worship him. Your comparison of rape to letting a child make a mistake is foolish because the parent, according to God, should do the Christian thing and step in and save the woman being helped.


    God did not create evil, he created man and some men choose to do evil.

    Hell, even the angels have freewill and could, and have, gone against God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    1) God knows everything about us but we ourselves do not, hence the tests and trials. It's how we grow and learn.

    2) If God prevented people from doing evil he would remove their freewill and have nothing but a bunch of mindless drones who worship him. Your comparison of rape to letting a child make a mistake is foolish because the parent, according to God, should do the Christian thing and step in and save the woman being helped.


    God did not create evil, he created man and some men choose to do evil.

    Hell, even the angels have freewill and could, and have, gone against God.
    Well, I'll be damned and stuff.

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