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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    " Vernacular Larceny "


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    For example ?
    Just because salvation is entirely dependent on divine grace doesn't mean christians are not subject to the laws of moses. The former refers to a theological truth while the latter refers to a temporal necessity -- according to augustine in de civitates dei.

    Is that what you meant by antinomianism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    As illegitimate aggression is a basis for retort in adversarial systems , an extent of a wrong against individual wrights may be based within non aggression principles .

    A presumption from self ownership is that slavery is illegitimate , hence conscription to perform any voluntary task is illegitimate .

    Establishing when actions of actors are implementing illegitimate aggression may depend upon multiple and complex factors .
    Correct.

    And the presumption of self-ownership include one's own labor and the fruits thereof.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    A tenet from non aggression principles might agree that while one is not obligated to grant life sustaining aid to another , one is likewise forbidden from forcibly depriving another from acquiring life sustaining aid from elsewhere .

    Even though discrimination may not be illegitimate aggression , when discrimination is not based upon non aggression principles , such is a deviation from that core tenet when set forth as a civil agreement .
    Agree.

    So what makes you think government should compel me to render services to somebody I'd rather not on pain of legal consequences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Just because salvation is entirely dependent on divine grace doesn't mean christians are not subject to the laws of moses. The former refers to a theological truth while the latter refers to a temporal necessity -- according to augustine in de civitates dei.
    Esoterics of saul epistles pleading antinomianism to romans about circumcision and mosaic law does not evade issue that legalism of torahnism is a self incumbent polity where expectations to implement its legal system do not extend beyond city state boundaries of israel .

    At best one could try to salvage the noahide code as a criteria to determine whether one is upstanding while not in a volition to implement torahnism .

    Thus verily this individual is confused by possible expectations from the theonomy camp .

    Considering where saul alludes that sin was induced by a deity setting the law , in effect alluding to function which follows form , are you some how asserting that the law of moses is ascribed to be an order equivalent with something a priori ?


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    Consider a premise that phi is an a priori example .
    Oar , is then phi a devise set forth from a deity ?
    Oar , is then phi a devise set forth from nature ?
    Oar , is then phi a devise set forth from a deity as nature ?
    Oar , is then phi a devise set forth from nature as a deity ?


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    One , in a discourse with a lineal descendant of ishmael , his expectation was that the qurayn superseded the torah within israel and also expected that he was entitled to traverse and occupy israel also because he was circumcised and stated that the covenant applied to lineal descendants of ishmael .

    Whence he was explained a distinction between torahnism and qurayshism and was resigned to practice whichever of the two each with their own city state dominion .


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Is that what you meant by antinomianism?
    At this point antinomianism also associated with pauline doctrines which logically deduces a paradox that by no name will a law be made .

    And at extremes of the paradox theory , by a utopian standard , in a perfected society , all positive laws would be removed as obedience with written law was no longer needed as each came to act consistent with a law perfected within themselves .


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Correct.
    And the presumption of self-ownership include one's own labor and the fruits thereof.
    Agree.
    So what makes you think government should compel me to render services to somebody I'd rather not on pain of legal consequences?
    A civil contract with a social standard for non aggression principles does not imply that all aggression is illegitimate .

    Those threats or acts of violence against ownership of self ( individualism ) and or determination of self ( property ) are illegitimate aggression , against which individuals are entitled to self defense .

    If seems a standard identifying biases as passive aggression may be an odd consequence to realize .


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    The vises and advantages of social constructs , upon which natural requirements for genetic continuance become satisfied , occurs both directly and indirectly from ones own actions and from actions of others within local environments .


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    A direct tax is a per capitation tax , a tax on property within a given location .

    A direct tax is to be used for as near as possible a direct benefit of taxed individual .

    An indirect tax is a tax by a state to administer commerce .

    An indirect tax may be allocated for an indirect benefit of a contributor .

    A taxpayer has limited say over how indirect taxes are spent for indirect benefits and more say over how direct taxes are spent for direct benefits .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama would not allow them to make any laws
    How does that work? The POTUS keeping Congress members from writing, sponsoring, voting on and then passing bills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    How does that work? The POTUS keeping Congress members from writing, sponsoring, voting on and then passing bills?
    It is called a veto and having his party filibuster

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    What are you saying?

    I cannot deny another person my professional services on religious grounds but I can do so on any other ground?

    What if I am in possession of a technology with military applications and I refuse to sell them on religious grounds?

    What about medical breakthroughs that has practical applications on abortions, capital punishment or euthanasia?

    What if selling to a homosexual couple would invariably harm my business with heterosexual couples, a purely business decision that can be made to look like it was made on religious grounds?

    In short, can you take away my right to conduct my business the way I think it ought to be conducted?

    And if I want to conduct my business according to my religious beliefs, how does that translate to me advocating for the imposition of sharia law (which by definition, is islamic law hence couldn't possibly be christian)?
    Most of your examples have nothing to do with public accommodation laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    How does that work? The POTUS keeping Congress members from writing, sponsoring, voting on and then passing bills?
    That must be what Trump is doing to Congress on Trumpcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is called a veto and having his party filibuster
    No, a veto is what the President exercise a bill that has been PASSED by Congress and then goes to his desk for his signature.
    Now, tell me what laws passed by a GOP majority Congress that were vetoed by Obama.
    Last edited by Hollywood; 21st March 2017 at 06:24 PM. Reason: typo
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    This is an absolutely absurd comparison.

    But, I suppose, it is reality for Dim-witted Socialist Snow Flakes, who think almost entirely with whatever emotion is triggered by the people who tell them what to think......
    Xian Sharia is not allowing alcohol to be sold on Sunday...because it offends the snowflakes sensibilities.
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    From wiki.

    Most blue laws have been repealed in the United States, although many states still ban the sale of alcoholic beverages or cars on Sundays. Bergen County, New Jersey is notable for their blue laws banning the sale of clothing, shoes, furniture, home supplies and appliances on Sundays kept through county-wide referendum.

    No buying microwaves to spy on the neighbours on a Sunday in Bergen county!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    From wiki.

    Most blue laws have been repealed in the United States, although many states still ban the sale of alcoholic beverages or cars on Sundays. Bergen County, New Jersey is notable for their blue laws banning the sale of clothing, shoes, furniture, home supplies and appliances on Sundays kept through county-wide referendum.

    No buying microwaves to spy on the neighbours on a Sunday in Bergen county!
    We laugh, but I remember not being able to go to a hardware store to get a part for a broken toilet...because someone was offended I was not at Church.

    Maybe the law should have required the Church to stay open on Sunday so that people could go take a dump.

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