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    Xian Sharia Law

    The question isnít: Will conservatives push to enact laws based on the Bible? We are way beyond that. The real questions are: 1. How many more of these laws do they want to impose? And, 2. What will our nation look like if their crusade is successful to bring Americaís laws into agreement with ďGodís lawĒ?... More in link!

    The Conservative Crusade For Christian Sharia Law - The Daily Beast
    This is a pretty telling article... And it's a link...so it Fucking has to be true...you can't prove my link wrong, therefore, I win!
    Maybe the cons can actually elect jesus to some office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    The question isn’t: Will conservatives push to enact laws based on the Bible? We are way beyond that. The real questions are: 1. How many more of these laws do they want to impose? And, 2. What will our nation look like if their crusade is successful to bring America’s laws into agreement with “God’s law”?... More in link!

    The Conservative Crusade For Christian Sharia Law - The Daily Beast
    This is a pretty telling article... And it's a link...so it Fucking has to be true...you can't prove my link wrong, therefore, I win!
    Maybe the cons can actually elect jesus to some office.
    What are you saying?

    I cannot deny another person my professional services on religious grounds but I can do so on any other ground?

    What if I am in possession of a technology with military applications and I refuse to sell them on religious grounds?

    What about medical breakthroughs that has practical applications on abortions, capital punishment or euthanasia?

    What if selling to a homosexual couple would invariably harm my business with heterosexual couples, a purely business decision that can be made to look like it was made on religious grounds?

    In short, can you take away my right to conduct my business the way I think it ought to be conducted?

    And if I want to conduct my business according to my religious beliefs, how does that translate to me advocating for the imposition of sharia law (which by definition, is islamic law hence couldn't possibly be christian)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    What are you saying?
    I cannot deny another person my professional services on religious grounds but I can do so on any other ground?
    Me thinks the reference is to either theonomists or possibly dominionists .

    Assuming that theonomy is based in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_5:18 , any pen letter of mu sa law would only apply within israel , just as any pen letter of mu ha mad law would only apply within hejaz , then its pundits are free to submit for emigration to israel .

    It a necessary deduction that christianity remains antinomian .

    Thus , what is to be expected from those pursuing antinomian vocations , while contending with those who emphasize positive law and allude to themselves as christians ?


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    Presuming one sets aside natural freedoms to pursue membership in a social civil agreement based from non aggression principles where individuals are entitled to self defense , any claiming a religious exception for an entitlement to implement a public policy knowing that it violates non aggression principles has committed an exclusionary action against the membership agreement .


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    What if selling to a homosexual couple would invariably harm my business with heterosexual couples, a purely business decision that can be made to look like it was made on religious grounds?
    If bias for or against behavior is religion , then class based discrimination follows easily , and discrimination not founded on non aggression principles introduces a deviation from a core tenet of the civil agreement .

    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    In short, can you take away my right to conduct my business the way I think it ought to be conducted?
    One may suppose from individualism that self ownership includes free roam and free association , while self determination includes property ownership and personal volition .

    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    And if I want to conduct my business according to my religious beliefs, how does that translate to me advocating for the imposition of sharia law (which by definition, is islamic law hence couldn't possibly be christian)?
    When fictional ishmaelism pundits give credence to implementation of directives from the qurayn , such advocates concede to tenets for aggression to implement that dictum into public policies , even when that dictum for public policies violate non aggression principles , including a demand for idolatrous blasphemous vanity laws and class full systems against us first amendment wrights .

    If organizational factions for fictional ishmaelism could present a contiguous and affluent political block , its dictum of a facade could be implemented based within representative democracy , as its pundits quietly though fervently laud tyranny by majority at the voting booth .

    There are some parallels in emphasis for a deontology and implementations of positive law based in nomianism , where fictional christianity pursues to establish musaic laws outside of israel and where fictional ishmaelism pursues to establish muhamaden laws outside of hejaz .


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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theonomy
    Various theonomic authors have stated such goals as "the universal development of Biblical theocratic republics",[3] exclusion of non-Christians from voting and citizenship,[4] and the application of Biblical law by the state.[5] Under such a system of Biblical law, homosexual acts,[6] adultery, witchcraft, and blasphemy[7] would be punishable by death. Propagation of idolatry or "false religions" would be illegal[8] and could also be punished by the death penalty.[9][10] More recent theonomic writers such as Joel McDurmon, President of American Vision, have moved away from this position, stating that these death penalties are no longer binding in the new covenant.[11] Polemicist and Theonomy critic, JD Hall, who debated McDurmon in 2015,[12] has argued that abandoning Mosaic penologies such as the death penalty means that McDurmon and others who hold similar positions cannot be said to hold to theonomy in any meaningful way.[13]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology
    Dominion Theology is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation governed by Christians based on Christian understandings of biblical law. Extents of rule and ways of achieving governing authority are varied. For example, Dominion Theology can include theonomy, but does not necessarily involve advocating Mosaic law as the basis of government. The label is applied primarily toward groups of Protestants in the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    What if I am in possession of a technology with military applications and I refuse to sell them on religious grounds?
    On religious grounds could another come and take possession of the technology ?


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    What about medical breakthroughs that has practical applications on abortions, capital punishment or euthanasia?
    Is your medical breakthrough on capital punishment a reference to carbon monoxide ?

    What is with medical macabre in executions , should they be silently uneventful ?

    Introduce them to a holding cell and send them to sleep .

    One will die sooner from remaining awake than from starvation .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    It a necessary deduction that christianity remains antinomian .
    Not necessarily.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    Presuming one sets aside natural freedoms to pursue membership in a social civil agreement based from non aggression principles where individuals are entitled to self defense , any claiming a religious exception for an entitlement to implement a public policy knowing that it violates non aggression principles has committed an exclusionary action against the membership agreement .
    Business is adversarial in capitalism, hence no one is claiming an 'exception for an entitlement' in the natural course of that business.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    If bias for or against behavior is religion , then class based discrimination follows easily , and discrimination not founded on non aggression principles introduces a deviation from a core tenet of the civil agreement .
    Again, it doesn't follow. Preferring something over another is naturally discriminatory, but not necessarily class-based discrimination hence doesn't violate non-aggression principles (as I understand it).

    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    One may suppose from individualism that self ownership includes free roam and free association , while self determination includes property ownership and personal volition .
    Correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    Me thinks the reference is to either theonomists or possibly dominionists .

    It a necessary deduction that christianity remains antinomian
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    Not necessarily.
    For example ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Business is adversarial in capitalism, hence no one is claiming an 'exception for an entitlement' in the natural course of that business.
    As illegitimate aggression is a basis for retort in adversarial systems , an extent of a wrong against individual wrights may be based within non aggression principles .

    A presumption from self ownership is that slavery is illegitimate , hence conscription to perform any voluntary task is illegitimate .

    Establishing when actions of actors are implementing illegitimate aggression may depend upon multiple and complex factors .



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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    If bias for or against behavior is religion , then class based discrimination follows easily , and discrimination not founded on non aggression principles introduces a deviation from a core tenet of the civil agreement .
    Again, it doesn't follow. Preferring something over another is naturally discriminatory, but not necessarily class-based discrimination hence doesn't violate non-aggression principles (as I understand it).
    A tenet from non aggression principles might agree that while one is not obligated to grant life sustaining aid to another , one is likewise forbidden from forcibly depriving another from acquiring life sustaining aid from elsewhere .

    Even though discrimination may not be illegitimate aggression , when discrimination is not based upon non aggression principles , such is a deviation from that core tenet when set forth as a civil agreement .

    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
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    Presuming one sets aside natural freedoms to pursue membership in a social civil agreement based from non aggression principles where individuals are entitled to self defense , any claiming a religious exception for an entitlement to implement a public policy knowing that it violates non aggression principles has committed an exclusionary action against the membership agreement .


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Correct.
    Mark 9:40 for whoever is not against us is for us
    Matthew 12:30 Whoever is not with me is against me
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    This is an absolutely absurd comparison.

    But, I suppose, it is reality for Dim-witted Socialist Snow Flakes, who think almost entirely with whatever emotion is triggered by the people who tell them what to think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    This is an absolutely absurd comparison.

    But, I suppose, it is reality for Dim-witted Socialist Snow Flakes, who think almost entirely with whatever emotion is triggered by the people who tell them what to think......
    Notice the OP is from 2014 so this was under Obama

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Notice the OP is from 2014 so this was under Obama
    Really? Conservatives did not exist in 2014?
    Well, I'll be damned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    This is an absolutely absurd comparison.

    But, I suppose, it is reality for Dim-witted Socialist Snow Flakes, who think almost entirely with whatever emotion is triggered by the people who tell them what to think......
    What EXACTLY is absurd about the comparison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Really? Conservatives did not exist in 2014?
    Well, I'll be damned!
    Obama would not allow them to make any laws

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