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    PS: If you should read this Erdogan then let me tell you: Every woman has every right to laugh as often, as long and as loud she likes to laugh. Even about you. Ask god, if you don't believe me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    I wouldn't call it a game it's war
    War is the situation, where someone kills someone else, although he knows nothing about this person and has absolutely no concrete reason to do so, because this person did him nothing bad. It could also be the neighbor or a brother or sister. War is not understandable with our rationality and it is not understandable with our hearts. War is far from god. Who kills a human being kills a universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    Why does it matter to you what a Christian believes? they are not like Moslems saying they'll behead you if you don't convert to Islam.
    Why does it matter?
    But that is what they do. They tell us that the laws of physics are so confusing and muddled that they cannot be trusted, so we may as well base our understanding of reality on the Bible. That established, they then explain that in that case, we should probably teach Creationism in science class, since the Bible stores are equally scientifically valid as all that confusing sciencey stuff. With that established, making laws based on what the Bible says isn't a violation of the Constitution, because the laws are really based on "science", which is what the Bible is.

    And look at all of the fucked up things the Bible says you should do with your sinners!

    Christianity-- like ALL RELIGIONS --is fertile ground for insecure, frightened power seekers. That's why it was the vehicle for oppression and the destruction of every enlightened thought in Europe for hundreds of years. And they would not only behead you, but they might decide to burn you alive instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    Why does it matter to you what a Christian believes? they are not like Moslems saying they'll behead you if you don't convert to Islam.
    Why does it matter?
    That's "Muslims".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    When did they celebrate Eostre?
    The name of the Greek goddess of the dawn is "Eos", the Roman name is "Aurora". A celto-germanic godess with the name Ostara (an idea from the brothers Grimm) never existed and I guess it's the same with the name "Eostre" or "Eastre". I guess Beda Venerabilis, who wrote in Latin, misunderstood that "Eostur-monath" (="Ostermonat", Easter month) is just simple the anglo-german expression for the Easter tide. As far as I can see no one has any evidence for a goddess Eostre or Eastre in combination with spring celebrations of Celts and/or Germanics (=Barbarians).

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    But that is what they do. They tell us that the laws of physics are so confusing and muddled that they cannot be trusted, so we may as well base our understanding of reality on the Bible. That established, they then explain that in that case, we should probably teach Creationism in science class, since the Bible stores are equally scientifically valid as all that confusing sciencey stuff. With that established, making laws based on what the Bible says isn't a violation of the Constitution, because the laws are really based on "science", which is what the Bible is.

    And look at all of the fucked up things the Bible says you should do with your sinners!

    Christianity-- like ALL RELIGIONS --is fertile ground for insecure, frightened power seekers. That's why it was the vehicle for oppression and the destruction of every enlightened thought in Europe for hundreds of years. And they would not only behead you, but they might decide to burn you alive instead.
    This is one of the worst misrepresentations of christianity I have ever seen. It is ignorant and baseless, it can only come from an utterly bigoted mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathol...ch_and_science

    The Church itself rejects the notion of innate conflict. The Vatican Council (1869/70) declared that "Faith and reason are of mutual help to each other".[14] The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1912 proffers that "The conflicts between science and the Church are not real", and states that belief in such conflicts are predicated on false assumptions.[15] Pope St. John Paul II summarised the Catholic view of the relationship between faith and reason in the encyclical Fides et Ratio, saying "Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth—in a word, to know himself—so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves."[16] The present Papal astronomer Brother Guy Consolmagno describes science as an "act of worship" and as "a way of getting intimate with the Creator".[17]

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    The First Council of Nicaea (/naɪˈsiːə/; Greek: Νίκαια [ˈni:kaɪja]) was a council of Christian bishops convened in the Bithynian city of Nicaea (now Iznik, Bursa province, Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. Constantine I organized the Council along the lines of the Roman Senate and presided over it, but did not cast any official vote.

    This ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the Church through an assembly representing all of Christendom. Hosius of Cordoba, who was probably one of the Papal legates, may have presided over its deliberations.[5][6]

    Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Christological issue of the divine nature of the God the Son and his relationship to God the Father,[3] the construction of the first part of the Nicene Creed, establishing uniform observance of the date of Easter,[7] and promulgation of early canon law.[4][8]

    By 325 AD, pagans have already accepted christianity. In fact, alaric, the goth chieftain who sacked rome in 410 AD is a christian.

    Get your facts straight.
    Give it up. The speed of light is the only constant in the universe. Tired of telling you this. You're pushing agenda driven Christian Science and then acting very pompous about pushing ideas that arent mainstream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    New book Crucifixion’s a Doddle by Julian Doyle, uses ancient texts, religious artworks and the Bible itself to refute some of the most common-held beliefs about the death of Jesus.

    Doyle's research questions the popular image of the immense wooden cross when there were so few trees in Judea. He points out that the Romans executed criminals by impaling them, while Jewish law preferred stoning them. And why were there no images of the cross for almost four centuries after Jesus' death?

    After the attempt to crucify the Monty Python team for their film Life of Brian it became clear to Doyle, the film’s editor, that something was seriously wrong with everything we think we know and he began to investigate.

    He tells Express Online his ten reasons why the Bible is wrong.

    Ten reasons why the Bible has it wrong about Jesus Christ's crucifixion | Books | Entertainment | Express.co.uk
    So, the whole backbone of the Xian faith is a lie...jesus wasn't even crucified. I knew the story was silly, but didn't know there was a book that supported the crucifixion was bullshit angle.
    Saying that there were few trees as opposed to no trees seems a silly basis to arrive at such a conclusion. We know that the inhabitants of palestine used wood for various needs such as tools and wagons and in construction even if construction was mainly of stone it often had wooden supports. There were in fact professional carpenters like the character Joseph is described and of course the Romans did occasionally crucify people. Wood was scarce compared to, say North America but not as scarce as, say for example gold.

    I don't really object to what they are trying to say here but it seems to be putting the cart ahead of the horse. There is no evidence that jesus even existed. There is a little bit of circumstantial evidence that a rabbi or preacher may have been the basis of the jesus myth but nothing really conclusive or substantial. Trying to say that the details of a mythological characters death is wrong seems backwards. It's like arguing that Superman does not really have Xray vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Give it up. The speed of light is the only constant in the universe. ...
    What about Plank's quantum of action "h", the so called "Plank constant".

    Do you remember?

    Einstein: E=m*c^2
    Plank: E=h*f

    h is the relation of the energy and frequency of an electron = const = 6.626 070 040 · 10^−34 J·s.



    By the way Antwerpen: Congrats! You know why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    This is one of the worst misrepresentations of christianity I have ever seen. It is ignorant and baseless, it can only come from an utterly bigoted mind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathol...ch_and_science

    The Church itself rejects the notion of innate conflict. The Vatican Council (1869/70) declared that "Faith and reason are of mutual help to each other".[14] The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1912 proffers that "The conflicts between science and the Church are not real", and states that belief in such conflicts are predicated on false assumptions.[15] Pope St. John Paul II summarised the Catholic view of the relationship between faith and reason in the encyclical Fides et Ratio, saying "Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth—in a word, to know himself—so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves."[16] The present Papal astronomer Brother Guy Consolmagno describes science as an "act of worship" and as "a way of getting intimate with the Creator".[17]
    Why for heavens sake are you so loud? Do you live in fear the universe could explode in a big bang?

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