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    Xians have it wrong...jesus wasn't crucified

    New book Crucifixion’s a Doddle by Julian Doyle, uses ancient texts, religious artworks and the Bible itself to refute some of the most common-held beliefs about the death of Jesus.

    Doyle's research questions the popular image of the immense wooden cross when there were so few trees in Judea. He points out that the Romans executed criminals by impaling them, while Jewish law preferred stoning them. And why were there no images of the cross for almost four centuries after Jesus' death?

    After the attempt to crucify the Monty Python team for their film Life of Brian it became clear to Doyle, the film’s editor, that something was seriously wrong with everything we think we know and he began to investigate.

    He tells Express Online his ten reasons why the Bible is wrong.

    Ten reasons why the Bible has it wrong about Jesus Christ's crucifixion | Books | Entertainment | Express.co.uk
    So, the whole backbone of the Xian faith is a lie...jesus wasn't even crucified. I knew the story was silly, but didn't know there was a book that supported the crucifixion was bullshit angle.
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    How many flit about referring to to crucifixion as a crucified fiction ?

    In archaic times , at some point , perhaps a depiction of a humans fixated to a cross came to represent an iconic symbol of cruelty to humans .

    During times when video was more interesting than receiving channel , " Life of Brian " was viewed more than 100 times , it is definitely a most favorite .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion
    Ancient Greek has two verbs for crucify: ana-stauro (ἀνασταυρόω), from stauros, "stake", and apo-tumpanizo (ἀποτυμπανίζω) "crucify on a plank,"[1] together with anaskolopizo (ἀνασκολοπίζω "impale"). In earlier pre-Roman Greek texts anastauro usually means "impale."[2][3][4]

    New Testament Greek uses four verbs, three of them based upon stauros (σταυρός), usually translated "cross". The most common term is stauroo (σταυρόω), "to crucify", occurring 43 times; sustauroo (συσταυρόω), "to crucify with" or "alongside" occurs five times, while anastauroo (ἀνασταυρόω), "to crucify again" occurs only once at the Epistle to the Hebrews 6:6. prospegnumi (προσπήγνυμι), "to fix or fasten to, impale, crucify" occurs only once at the Acts of the Apostles 2:23.

    The English term cross derives from the Latin word crux.[5] The Latin term crux classically referred to a tree or any construction of wood used to hang criminals as a form of execution. The term later came to refer specifically to a cross.[6]

    The English term crucifix derives from the Latin crucifixus or cruci fixus, past participle passive of crucifigere or cruci figere, meaning "to crucify" or "to fasten to a cross".[7][8][9][10]


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    There seems to be clear evidence of crucifixions in the Holy Land, as noted in this sample excerpt from Wikipedia:

    Josephus describes multiple tortures and positions of crucifixion during the Siege of Jerusalem as Titus crucified the rebels; and Seneca the Younger recounts: "I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made in many different ways: some have their victims with head down to the ground; some impale their private parts; others stretch out their arms on the gibbet."

    Has anyone considered the possibility that, since Jesus was a carpenter, he may at one time have constructed or assembled wooden crosses for the Romans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    There seems to be clear evidence of crucifixions in the Holy Land, as noted in this sample excerpt from Wikipedia:

    Josephus describes multiple tortures and positions of crucifixion during the Siege of Jerusalem as Titus crucified the rebels; and Seneca the Younger recounts: "I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made in many different ways: some have their victims with head down to the ground; some impale their private parts; others stretch out their arms on the gibbet."

    Has anyone considered the possibility that, since Jesus was a carpenter, he may at one time have constructed or assembled wooden crosses for the Romans?
    Interesting. That would be a bitch, would it not? Build the cross that they nail your ass to. Bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    There seems to be clear evidence of crucifixions in the Holy Land, as noted in this sample excerpt from Wikipedia:

    Josephus describes multiple tortures and positions of crucifixion during the Siege of Jerusalem as Titus crucified the rebels; and Seneca the Younger recounts: "I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made in many different ways: some have their victims with head down to the ground; some impale their private parts; others stretch out their arms on the gibbet."

    Has anyone considered the possibility that, since Jesus was a carpenter, he may at one time have constructed or assembled wooden crosses for the Romans?
    Actually, the koine greek word is tekton -- which means more like craftsman or builder, rather than carpenter. The suggestion jesus' occupation was much more elevated than cutting wooden planks for crucifixion.

    In any case, the siege of jerusalem occurred in 70 ad so jesus couldn't possibly have assembled the wooden crosses for the romans then.

    Oh, and btw, the earliest christians were jews. They were christians at a time when christianity was viewed as a jewish sect. The fact that jews would consider the carpenter who assembled crosses for the romans as the son of god speaks ill of the character of the jew more than anything else.
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    Interesting. That would be a bitch, would it not? Build the cross that they nail your ass to. Bummer.
    You find it interesting that the suggestion debunks your theory?

    It doesn't really matter to you that you look foolish, as long as you can heap vile insults at christianity, eh?

    Duh?

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    It doesn't really matter how he died, it's the fact that he did and why he did.

    That is something the OP fails to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight View Post
    New book Crucifixion’s a Doddle by Julian Doyle, uses ancient texts, religious artworks and the Bible itself to refute some of the most common-held beliefs about the death of Jesus.

    Doyle's research questions the popular image of the immense wooden cross when there were so few trees in Judea. He points out that the Romans executed criminals by impaling them, while Jewish law preferred stoning them. And why were there no images of the cross for almost four centuries after Jesus' death?

    After the attempt to crucify the Monty Python team for their film Life of Brian it became clear to Doyle, the film’s editor, that something was seriously wrong with everything we think we know and he began to investigate.

    He tells Express Online his ten reasons why the Bible is wrong.

    Ten reasons why the Bible has it wrong about Jesus Christ's crucifixion | Books | Entertainment | Express.co.uk
    So, the whole backbone of the Xian faith is a lie...jesus wasn't even crucified. I knew the story was silly, but didn't know there was a book that supported the crucifixion was bullshit angle.
    Sorry Jewish Historian Josephus confirms the crucifixion.

    So does the Roman Governor that ordered it. he became a Christian after Christ rose from the dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    It doesn't really matter how he died, it's the fact that he did and why he did.

    That is something the OP fails to understand.
    We owe the same debt to all of our ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    There seems to be clear evidence of crucifixions in the Holy Land, as noted in this sample excerpt from Wikipedia:

    Josephus describes multiple tortures and positions of crucifixion during the Siege of Jerusalem as Titus crucified the rebels; and Seneca the Younger recounts: "I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made in many different ways: some have their victims with head down to the ground; some impale their private parts; others stretch out their arms on the gibbet."

    Has anyone considered the possibility that, since Jesus was a carpenter, he may at one time have constructed or assembled wooden crosses for the Romans?
    The latest information suggest he was a stonemason, not a carpenter.

    Jesus the Stone Mason - National Geographic Channel

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