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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    Of course it was orchestrated! Man's fall is a result of his rejection of that one thing necessary for his existence -- divine grace.

    Why orchestrate it that way in the first place? Because the faculty by which you reject divine grace is the same faculty by which you accept it.

    If it weren't orchestrated that way, then you would be an animal, plant or inanimate object -- incapable of either accepting or rejecting divine grace. Creation would be DEVOID of love and a god who is essentially love would cease to become so.
    In other words, Adam and Eve were not guilty of violating any "rules." They were inexorably pushed into their actions by an all-powerful, all-knowing being. Kicking Adam and Eve to the curbside was part of the plan from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    First let's look at the definiton-

    "entrapment"- In criminal law, entrapment is a practice whereby a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit a criminal offence that the person would have otherwise been unlikely to commit.

    It "is the conception and planning of an offence by an officer, and his procurement of its commission by one who would not have perpetrated it except for the trickery, persuasion or fraud of the office.
    ---wikipedia


    Then the facts of the case.

    Two naive young people are placed in an enclosed area.

    God puts a Tree in the area whose fruit is "death" if eaten.

    God puts or "allows" a talking snake in the area, already aware that the creature will attempt to persuade the female to eat the fruit.

    God knows that the male is enamored of the female and will follow her lead.
    No, Satan entrapped Adam and Eve.

    God Warned that the fruit was deadly.

    Satan, said that it was not, and he said that eating the fruit would make them Like God.

    Just as the Governemnt of the US Says that if you use Drugs you may become addicted, and the Illegals bring the Drugs into the US and tell people that the Drugs will make you feel good.. and they become addicted...

    So yes, Satan Entrapped Adam and Eve. they should have listened to God.

    So what did God Do, he Sent Jesus, the Key to rehabilitate us from the Addiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No, Satan entrapped Adam and Eve.

    God Warned that the fruit was deadly.

    Satan, said that it was not, and he said that eating the fruit would make them Like God.

    Just as the Governemnt of the US Says that if you use Drugs you may become addicted, and the Illegals bring the Drugs into the US and tell people that the Drugs will make you feel good.. and they become addicted...

    So yes, Satan Entrapped Adam and Eve. they should have listened to God.

    So what did God Do, he Sent Jesus, the Key to rehabilitate us from the Addiction.
    Why should they have listened to God? How could they have known that God was "right" and the serpent was "wrong?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Why should they have listened to God? How could they have known that God was "right" and the serpent was "wrong?"
    The same reason someone should listen when Mom says "That Stove is hot"...

    or when dad says "Son don't piss into the wind"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    So, one minute we are talking about toys and instantly, its fending for themselves on the street? YOU CANNOT REMAIN IN THE PLAY PEN IF YOU CANNOT FOLLOW THE RULES OF THE PLAY PEN. So, you're access to the things that would make you happy, the toys, are denied you until such time that you are able to follow the rules.
    Let's run with your analogy....

    a child doesn't follow the rules of the play pen....so the Nanny takes the child upon "adolescence" and tortures it in a dark fiery pit ....forever.

    Because "Nanny loves the children"....right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    The same reason someone should listen when Mom says "That Stove is hot"...

    or when dad says "Son don't piss into the wind"
    How does a newly created human being, that has never seen it...know what "death" is?

    Or, to use your analogy, how does a child get warned "don't touch the stove or you'll be burned"....if the child has never been "burned" and doesn't know what the word means???

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    The same reason someone should listen when Mom says "That Stove is hot"...

    or when dad says "Son don't piss into the wind"
    No, I'm saying "Why should Adam and Eve have trusted God, and not Satan?" They had never met anyone else. They didn't even know what "lying" was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    No, I'm saying "Why should Adam and Eve have trusted God, and not Satan?" They had never met anyone else. They didn't even know what "lying" was.
    The same reason you trust someone that tells you to not play in the street.. vs someone that pushes you into traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    The same reason you trust someone that tells you to not play in the street.. vs someone that pushes you into traffic.
    Satan had never harmed Adam or Eve. For what reason should they have distrusted him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Satan had never harmed Adam or Eve. For what reason should they have distrusted him?
    Were Adam and Eve really third stage moral thinkers? Why should we imagine they were?

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