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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    No, they arguably weren't even first-stage, because they had no concept of reward or punishment.
    That would tend to make this whole line of argument moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Language is different from conceptual understanding. The ancients had a word for "lightning"* but they had no concept of electricity, ionization, or positive / negative charges. However, they still had a word. So having language wouldn't have enabled Adam to understand death.




    * "barak" or some variant thereof, in case you were wondering
    Ancient people didn't understand their languages?

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    God constructed Adam, his body and his mind, which included language.
    Adam understood what "death" meant to him?

    But according to the Bible, Adam was IMMORTAL until he ate the fruit of the Tree, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    There was no death until the Tree of Knowledge fruit was eaten.
    Exactly....so how does a person understand a threat of "death".....if death didn't exist?

    It'd be like me threatening you with a "phaser beam"

    if A. you have never seen Star Trek and heard that term

    and B. phaser beams don't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Adam understood what "death" meant to him?

    But according to the Bible, Adam was IMMORTAL until he ate the fruit of the Tree, right?
    Adam was constructed to understand anything God said him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    What the serpent said was a qualified truth. If we were not encumbered by moral compunctions, we could hold great power over nature. What the serpent conveniently neglected to say is that this power would be the cause of our inevitable perdition.
    True; the serpent didn't say this. But God didn't either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingrat View Post
    And do you think there is reason to question god when you are already living in paradise?
    How would Adam and Eve have recognized Eden as a paradise? The whole idea of "paradise" is comparative, and there was nothing by which to compare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by font View Post
    Ancient people didn't understand their languages?
    They had words for things they didn't fully understand. But naming is not the same as understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    They had words for things they didn't fully understand. But naming is not the same as understanding.
    You don't need to have "full understanding" of how car is constructed to drive it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by font View Post
    Adam was constructed to understand anything God said him.
    But as noted by TNVol, according to the Bible, death didn't exist before the Fall.....


    so how could Adam understand what "death" meant???

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