Members banned from this thread: aboutenough


Page 2 of 37 FirstFirst 123412 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 369
Thanks Tree48Thanks

Thread: Christianity has no ethical foundation

  1. #11
    Veteran Member aboutenough's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    51,464
    Thanks
    2789

    From
    Washington state
    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    No. 1 Sam 15:3 - "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

    The Abrahamic God, specifically, and unambiguously told the Israelites, "If it moves, kill it. If it doesn't move...kill it just in case," Now, you, I'm sure, are going to try to explain just how icky, and mean the Amalekites were, and how that means they deserved it. However, "...infant and suckling..." That's, children, infants, and newborns for anyone who is not clear. The God of the Jews, and the Christians, specifically, and unambiguously, commanded the complete genocide of an entire race.

    So, Christians are left with 2 options:

    1 - The entire Bible is the true, and accurate word of God, and is a true, and accurate history of "God's People", in whjich case they must admit that they worship a God who is genocidal, and ordered the murder of children, and infants, or

    2 - The Bible - or, at least the Old Testament - is not a true, and accurate record, and is "open to interpretation", in which case it has no real authoritative value as a body of work.
    This was an act of war. The Amalek were trying to wipe the Jewish people off the face of the earth. God told them to wipe them out. A similar comparison is what we have in Isis today. If we don't wipe out the people that hold the ideology to kill everyone that doesn't believe in Allah , we will be dealing with this forever. You are showing compassion for those that wanted to kill the Jews.
    Thanks from ptif219

  2. #12
    Veteran Member Czernobog's Avatar
    Joined
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    34,575
    Thanks
    17253

    From
    Phoenix, AZ
    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    This was an act of war. The Amalek were trying to wipe the Jewish people off the face of the earth. God told them to wipe them out. A similar comparison is what we have in Isis today. If we don't wipe out the people that hold the ideology to kill everyone that doesn't believe in Allah , we will be dealing with this forever. You are showing compassion for those that wanted to kill the Jews.
    Sooo... it is your contention that genocide is a proper, and ethical strategy in war? Really?!?!? Because God didn't command the Israelites to decimate the Amalekite army. He commanded them to wipe out their entire race, down to every woman, child, and infant...even the livestock.

    So, if you are suggesting that genocide is an ethical wartime strategy, then you have just given up any moral high ground on any ethical discussion that you ever thought you had.
    Thanks from RNG

  3. #13
    Veteran Member aboutenough's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    51,464
    Thanks
    2789

    From
    Washington state
    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Sooo... it is your contention that genocide is a proper, and ethical strategy in war? Really?!?!? Because God didn't command the Israelites to decimate the Amalekite army. He commanded them to wipe out their entire race, down to every woman, child, and infant...even the livestock.

    So, if you are suggesting that genocide is an ethical wartime strategy, then you have just given up any moral high ground on any ethical discussion that you ever thought you had.
    God didn't want the Jewish people wiped off the face of the earth. Fact. Wiping out those that wanted to do that was necessary. Fact. War can be ugly. Fact. Obama was compassionate to Islam. Fact. We now have ISIS in Iraq because Obama was compassionate and they are killing people. Get it yet?

  4. #14
    Veteran Member Czernobog's Avatar
    Joined
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    34,575
    Thanks
    17253

    From
    Phoenix, AZ
    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    God didn't want the Jewish people wiped off the face of the earth. Fact. Wiping out those that wanted to do that was necessary. Fact. War can be ugly. Fact. Obama was compassionate to Islam. Fact. We now have ISIS in Iraq because Obama was compassionate and they are killing people. Get it yet?
    Not fact. There is no "fact" that ever demonstrates that killing children, and infants is necessary, and you cannot provide one. What you are spewing is nothing more than propaganda to justify genocide. But, hey. That's okay. You're exhibiting your true colours. You not only worship a genocidal God, you are now defending, and endorsing the genocide commanded by that God.

    `Nuff said. Anyone who endorses genocide has no ethical foundation, regardless of the justification they think they have for genocide.

    Thank you for playing. You are dismissed.

  5. #15
    Burn it down Macduff's Avatar
    Joined
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    82,428
    Thanks
    21700

    From
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Not fact. There is no "fact" that ever demonstrates that killing children, and infants is necessary, and you cannot provide one. What you are spewing is nothing more than propaganda to justify genocide. But, hey. That's okay. You're exhibiting your true colours. You not only worship a genocidal God, you are now defending, and endorsing the genocide commanded by that God.

    `Nuff said. Anyone who endorses genocide has no ethical foundation, regardless of the justification they think they have for genocide.

    Thank you for playing. You are dismissed.
    Pretend that God was selling their organs to make a few bucks on the side if it makes you feel better.
    Thanks from aboutenough and carpe diem

  6. #16
    Junior Member zaangalewa's Avatar
    Joined
    Sep 2016
    Posts
    1,298
    Thanks
    164

    From
    Germany
    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    ... If you read the Bible, and believe it is true, then you know that you God kills babies. ...
    You "know" this. I know something else. I know god had helped all people with some information. The people who followed god were able to save their babies - the people who followed the Pharao lost their babies. Babies are the future. An indeed the Jews are still following god in their very old living traditions, while in the last few thousand years not many Pharaos were buried in pyramids.

    Last edited by zaangalewa; 30th March 2017 at 10:32 AM.

  7. #17
    Veteran Member aboutenough's Avatar
    Joined
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    51,464
    Thanks
    2789

    From
    Washington state
    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Not fact. There is no "fact" that ever demonstrates that killing children, and infants is necessary, and you cannot provide one. What you are spewing is nothing more than propaganda to justify genocide. But, hey. That's okay. You're exhibiting your true colours. You not only worship a genocidal God, you are now defending, and endorsing the genocide commanded by that God.

    `Nuff said. Anyone who endorses genocide has no ethical foundation, regardless of the justification they think they have for genocide.

    Thank you for playing. You are dismissed.
    this kind of thinking is why we are still playing patsy with ISIS. War is not deciding to comfort the enemy, the aim is to wipe them out so they don't wipe you out.
    Thanks from carpe diem

  8. #18
    Veteran Member Czernobog's Avatar
    Joined
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    34,575
    Thanks
    17253

    From
    Phoenix, AZ
    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Pretend that God was selling their organs to make a few bucks on the side if it makes you feel better.
    Yeah, the difference is that there is debate about whether a fetus is a person. There is no debate over what the Abrahamic God commanded. Sorry. You don't get to defend, justify, or endorse what the Abrahamic God commanded, and then pretend to be outraged over abortion. After all, you worship a God who ordered the murder of children, and infants.
    Thanks from Panzareta

  9. #19
    Veteran Member Czernobog's Avatar
    Joined
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    34,575
    Thanks
    17253

    From
    Phoenix, AZ
    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    this kind of thinking is why we are still playing patsy with ISIS. War is not deciding to comfort the enemy, the aim is to wipe them out so they don't wipe you out.

    So, babies are the "enemy"?!?! Really?!?! Like I said, you will never have a leg to stand on, any time you ever dare to post about abortion again. Because I will be right there to remind you that you are perfectly fine with slaughtering infants, and babies when it suits your purpose.
    Last edited by Czernobog; 30th March 2017 at 01:45 PM.

  10. #20
    Veteran Member Czernobog's Avatar
    Joined
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    34,575
    Thanks
    17253

    From
    Phoenix, AZ
    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    You "know" this. I know something else. I know god had helped all people with some information. The people who followed god were able to save their babies - the people who followed the Pharao lost their babies. Babies are the future. An indeed the Jews are still following god in their very old living traditions, while in the last few thousand years not many Pharaos were buried in pyramids.
    We're not talking about the "plagues' of Egypt, here. We're talking about God's command to go and slaughter the children, and infants of the Amalekites. There was no "out" for any of them. It was quite clear, "Kill. Them. All." God, in fact, got pissed at Saul, because he let some of the cows live. Not the babies, mind you...just the cows.

Page 2 of 37 FirstFirst 123412 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Trump Foundation faces troubling legal, ethical questions
    By DemoWhip in forum Current Events
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 14th September 2016, 08:02 PM
  2. Should Business Be Ethical Or Just Profitable?
    By Devil505 in forum Opinion Polls
    Replies: 75
    Last Post: 12th February 2011, 12:34 AM
  3. That Ethical Democrat Speaker
    By Migi e! in forum Political Discussion
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 8th August 2007, 11:04 PM
  4. Pelosi's Democrats most ethical? Right....
    By conservative in forum Political Discussion
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 30th January 2007, 12:27 PM
  5. Ethical question?
    By conservative in forum Philosophy and Religion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 7th August 2006, 09:31 AM

Search tags for this page

Click on a term to search for related topics.

Tags for this Thread


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed