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    The entire definition of Christian is someone who worships Christ. The New Testament.

    Christ changes absolutely everything. His coming is a new deal, new rules, new morality, new reality.

    Of course the New Testament contradicts the Old one. That's why they are different things. Think of it, as an American, as The Old Testament being English Common Law and The New Testament being The Constitution.

    The old one may have some lingering effects, but the new one is the one that defines us.

    A Christian follows the New Testament. Post Christ.

    If you are troubled by the Old Testament and sacrifices and genocides and rapes and slaves then you'll need to take that up with Jews and Muslims.

    For Christians, Christ is a brand new covenant with God. Nothing before is still in effect.
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    When you start with an author who writes that God ordered a genocide, the author has lost moral high ground.

    I can write that you stole something and others might believe it. Does my writing that actually make you a thief?
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    The Book of Numbers (from Greek Ἀριθμοί, Arithmoi; Hebrew: בְּמִדְבַּר‎, Bəmiḏbar, "In the desert [of]") is the fourth book of the Hebrew Bible, and the fourth of five books of the Jewish Torah. The book has a long and complex history, but its final form is probably due to a Priestly redaction (i.e., editing) of a Yahwistic source made some time in the early Persian period (5th century BCE).
    Let's be a little bit sensible about what we attribute to "God" saying or doing or thinking.

    There is not a single word in the Bible that was not written, edited, translated, selected, and designated as biblical, by human beings.

    It is a collection of human beings' ideas and stories about God.

    Human beings being the same species that can't agree if pigs are edible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    One doesn't need religion to be ethical or moral.
    If religion calms the human beasts, so be it, perhaps they " need to believe there is punishiment "
    Interesting is the most intelligent don't beleive.
    Interesting is when the stupid come to power, they want to kill the intelligentsia.
    Fact is, the lower the IQ the more devout. See proof here in this forum. Lolol
    Ah - you are intelligent. If you are right and your belief in god is not existing at all, then your intelligence should be infinite. Very good. How are we able to see prime numbers are countably infinite? How long needs it under the bests thinkable conditions to find the 123,456,789,012,345,678,901,234,567,890th prime number? Idiotic question - I know. But I would be really interested in the result - and even much more in the way how someone could be able to find such a result.

    Last edited by zaangalewa; 31st March 2017 at 02:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I didn't blame Christians. I blame their God. Christians insist that the God of the New Testament is the God of the Old Testament.
    Correct.

    The god of the old testament is the god of the new testament. I am going to state further that the god of islam is the god of the old and new testament. I am still going to state further that all the god/s of all religions is one and the same. The only difference is the way human understanding comprehends divine revelation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    So, you worship the same God. Rev 22:13 - "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." Christians have ever maintained that this is meant to indicate that the God of the New Testament is the same God as the Old testament, and that his nature is everlasting, and unchanging.

    Are you now saying that is not the case? Because if it is, then you worship a genocidal God who ordered the massacre of children, and infants. Yes, it may have been the Jews who carried out the order, but it was your. God who issued the order.
    Correct. I worship the same god.

    I do not, however, subscribe to islam or judaism or paganism (or whatever religion you may think of), which as I have already explained, is the way different people understand divine revelation. I accept everything that is good in all religions and I reject everything that is bad in all religions (which is how catholicism defines the church's relationship with other religions in nostra aetate).

    So again, why are you blaming christians for the genocide the jews (allegedly) committed? Shouldn't you direct your question at judaism -- the particular religion that asserts god commanded them to commit genocide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    One doesn't need religion to be ethical or moral.
    If religion calms the human beasts, so be it, perhaps they " need to believe there is punishiment "
    Interesting is the most intelligent don't beleive.
    Interesting is when the stupid come to power, they want to kill the intelligentsia.
    Fact is, the lower the IQ the more devout. See proof here in this forum. Lolol
    The thing is, you are the one insisting on interpreting the bible like a grocery list. Religious and moral beliefs have nothing to do with iq. How you interpret scripture does indicate your iq.

    Duh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Let's be a little bit sensible about what we attribute to "God" saying or doing or thinking.

    There is not a single word in the Bible that was not written, edited, translated, selected, and designated as biblical, by human beings.

    It is a collection of human beings' ideas and stories about God.

    Human beings being the same species that can't agree if pigs are edible.
    There is nothing sensible about the christian attacks in this forum. Heck, they do not even have the common sense to direct these attacks against the correct religion.

    How can christianity be responsible for what the jews did half a millennium prior to christianity's establishment?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    God likes Jews to survive.
    Apparently, in abject misery.

    The Judeo-Christian God seems to be a horrible bigot, to my eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Jews believe their God is different from the Christian God. I believe its the same God, but they don't, so you have a problem proving which is true. If the Old Testament God is not the same God then you have failed to make a connection between the God of Christians. You then are attacking the God of the Jews which makes you an antisemite.
    No, Jews simply do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah.

    I do not think correcting your misapprehension of Judaism is at all antisemetic. In fact, misapplying and misrepresenting Jewish beliefs is a possible act of antisemitism.


    @Ian Jeffrey....amirtite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Your argument doesn't add up. The God of the Jews ordered what you call a Genocide and you are trying to connect this to Christians. Jews would strongly disagree with the connection you are trying to make, they believe there is a God of the Jews and a God of the Christians. You will have to heap this upon their God even though most Jews are Democrats.
    You are trying to import 6,000 years of Judaism into Christianity. Worse, into fundamental Christianity.

    It cannot be done.

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