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I neither love or hate anyone's faith or spirituality, regardless of what it is about. What does disturb me is when some people seem to believe their "faith/spirituality, should be everyone's and they act on that premise, trying to force everyone else, to live that faith or spirituality. To me and I believe to lots of other people, whatever your faith is, it's yours, not anyone else's unless they might see some merit in sharing it also. Thus while there seems no harm in sharing thoughts about what one personally believes or does not believe or has faith in or not, the harm seems to come when someone thinks I should, essentially, be them. I'm not them and they should stop trying to make me them, against my will. That includes people trying to force me or anyone else, to either "believe" in anyone's god(s) or not believe in any god(s) or anything else for that matter.
I have a lot of faith in what I would call universal, practical and shared values that transcend all of humanity, no matter the avenue by which they arrived and arrive to our consciousness, through the astute observations, ponderings and conclusions of other who shared the same, about how human beings through the history of human kind, work best as a society/group and what features cause both function and dysfunction of most any society, providing space for the exceptions that occur based on unusual circumstances that make the exceptions reasonable and acceptable.
Some people seem to think everyone else should either be spirtitual/have faith/attach themselves to an organized faith/religion or think doing so is entirely silly or a waste of time. While I am sure I do get caught up in either/or constructs, for the most part, I don't like them, because I don't know how any human being in the history of humanity or existing today, can know everything and talk about anything with absolute certainty. While we need a certain level of certainty about so many things, to survive, what human is to say god(s) exist or do not exist? So far as I can tell, neither has been proven or disproved beyond a reasonable doubt.
I prefer to have faith in all those "virtuous" (virtuous because they bring harmony, peace and love, rather than hatred, turmoil and sadness) values that as far as I can see, transcend nearly every human culture, nearly every organized religion and nearly all secular thought or "beliefs". It is my personal thought and some other people join me in this thought, that if all adopted such thoughts, the world would be a better place, BUT I know there are "personal thoughts" or "beliefs" for just about every person on the planet and they likely all vary in some way, large or small, so what I believe in, is not for me to force anyone else to believe in, but perhaps maybe to ponder and see, if in their minds, it is close to what they may believe and perhaps makes sense. If they do, then possibly the chain of similar belief will link more people together in the same beliefs and if people actually live by those beliefs and do not try to FORCE others to have the same belief, then maybe more people will take them up, by choice and the world may become a better place.
What I see are religious/spiritual/agnostic/atheist/secular/people of all beliefs in too many numbers, claiming to believe in love, peace and harmony out of one side of their mouths then calling to hate. restrict, bar, ban other people, not on the individual (harmful to society) deeds of those people, but on some of group identity. An exception might be a group that defines themselves as engaging in things harmful to society and that does not include claiming to make society better, by poisoning the environment or killing people.
Anyway, I believe human share a lot more of the same basic desires than one might notice with all the tribal divisions we appear to have broken into, in spite of all the human desires humans share, because they're/we're all human!
"As psychologist Andrew Solomon writes in his book, Far From the Tree, children conceived of rape are more likely to suffer from severe psychological disorders, the most common of which are Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), depression, and anxiety.
They face many challenges both before and after birth. Research shows that maternal stress severely affects embryological development. Many women who are raped opt to take antidepressants to help them cope, which can harm the fetus."
Children Born of Rape Face a Painful Legacy ? The Trauma & Mental Health Report
It's BS. Until a child is separate from the womb, it is NOT born and until it IS born, it IS a part of the mother and since a fetus is not viable without artificial assistance before a certain time and even at the SCIENTIFICALLY decided time, not totally viable, even WITH artificial assistance. Why don't all the people so worried about "beautiful" unborn fetuses care as much for the children that people actually WANT to have, but cannot afford to feed? Why is it the same people that want to force women to be pregnant against their will, are many of the same people that voted for the guy that just cut off funds for all kinds of people that need assistance and who have "beautiful" children?????
They don't care about the unborn "beautiful" or not and the proof is how much they care for the children that go hungry in the world daily, while they vote for a narcissistic greddy gluttonous billionare adulterer man that costs the nation's tax payers millions of EXTRA dollars, because he needs to be surrounded by one of his own personal palaces, to conduct the nation's (and his personal) business, instead of using the "shappy", old White House".
Last edited by KnotaFrayed; 4th April 2017 at 08:41 PM.