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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Because you think 'paysock' is more recognisable? Wow.

    Still waiting for you to show that it is generally deemed acceptable.
    Sigh. Okay.

    The name "Pesach" (PAY-sahch, with a "ch" as in the Scottish "loch") comes from the Hebrew root Pei-Samekh-Cheit Pei-Samekh-Cheit (in Hebrew), meaning to pass through, to pass over, to exempt or to spare.
    Judaism 101: Pesach:*Passover

    And now you're going to quibble about how Scottish people pronounce "loch," as if an American pronouncing the phrase "lock lomond" would be unintelligible.

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    I think I'm gonna give this thread a Passover.

    (Nyuk nyuk)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    So...how many of you guys pronounce pesach, 'paysock'???
    I don't. It's not a "k" sound at the end. It's proper spelling is פסח. The final-kaf sound has no equivalent in English, which is why many use the "k" sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I don't.
    Neither does the former USA ambassador in Israel Dan Shapiro .



    At 0:06 and 0:17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Sigh. Okay.



    Judaism 101: Pesach:*Passover

    And now you're going to quibble about how Scottish people pronounce "loch," as if an American pronouncing the phrase "lock lomond" would be unintelligible.
    OK.

    Good example.

    A lot of people the world over mispronounce the word 'lochness' - myself included.

    Except they don't pretend to be Scottish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    ... Except they don't pretend to be Scottish.
    I was unaware that training in the Hebrew language was a requisite for being Jewish. Thank you for enlightening me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I don't. It's not a "k" sound at the end. It's proper spelling is פסח. The final-kaf sound has no equivalent in English, which is why many use the "k" sound.
    English speakers call it the "coughing up a loogie" sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I was unaware that training in the Hebrew language was a requisite for being Jewish. Thank you for enlightening me.
    Oh, it's not a requisite, but it's just odd that as an adult you keep mispronouncing pesach. Surely, as a Jew, you've heard it correctly pronounced before, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    I think I'm gonna give this thread a Passover.

    (Nyuk nyuk)
    Silly Khanukh

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    Council Member Djinn's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Oh, it's not a requisite, but it's just odd that as an adult you keep mispronouncing pesach. Surely, as a Jew, you've heard it correctly pronounced before, no?
    Of course. And when I order a "gyro" at a diner in the U.S., I pronounce it "JI-roh," rather than employing the Greek pronunciation. I choose a pronunciation based on my audience, because however important it may be to adhere to traditional pronunciations, it's more important that my audience understand me. They are more likely to understand me when I use sounds that are easily reflected in the English alphabet. If I'm speaking with a rabbi, then I'll use the Hebrew pronunciation of "Pesach."

    In most American Chinese restaurants, there is a very common spicy chicken dish named for a 19th century, Qing dynasty military general. It's a safe bet that if you have any appreciation for American Chinese food, you've tried this dish. It's also a safe bet that you pronounced the name of the good general incorrectly, because the correct pronunciation doesn't fit nicely into English letters. That's why every American Chinese restaurant spells the name differently on their menus. If you know phonetics, it's pronounced "tswɔ̀." Good luck with that. I could tell you that it "sort-of-rhymes with shoe." But that's still the wrong digraph.

    I'm sure you know the dish I'm talking about. Now that you know you've been pronouncing it wrong all this time, will you refrain from ordering it again until you figure it out? And once you get the pronunciation down - and rehearsed to the satisfaction of a native of the language - will you REALLY be using it the next time you order Chinese take-out?


    Trivia: According to historians in his native village, General Zuo Zongtang did not like chicken, or spicy foods. Furthermore, until very recently, locals in his home village had no idea that one of the most popular Chinese-American dishes in the U.S. was named for him. (Highly recommended source)
    Last edited by Djinn; 13th April 2017 at 06:57 AM.

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