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    Quote Originally Posted by res View Post
    It depends what branch of Judaism you adhere to. If you want to convert to orthodox Judaism in Israel then you must be fluent in Hebrew otherwise you will be rejected. Elsewhere in the world orthodox Jews expect you to be able to read Hebrew and more or less understand what it is that you're reading. Reform Judaism is not so strict. Conservative I think is somewhere in between the other two.
    If knowing Hebrew was a prerequisite we wouldn't have many Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    That only applies to conversion, as far as I'm aware. If you are born to a Jewish mother, and you're never taught Hebrew, you're still considered "Jewish" by most religious officials. My wedding was officiated by a conservative rabbi who does not provide marriage services for non-Jews. My sparse Jewish upbringing was not a major obstacle, though I was required to undergo a brief religious "baby-naming" ceremony that my parents skipped when I was an infant.
    I always thought you would you wish if your mother was. We were married by a reform rabbi ... my husband was not Jewish. We married a long time ago in those days it was really difficult to find someone who would marry us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    That only applies to conversion, as far as I'm aware. If you are born to a Jewish mother, and you're never taught Hebrew, you're still considered "Jewish" by most religious officials.
    Yes to both. Many of the hoops potential converts are subjected to jumping through are to verify one's sincerity in wanting to take on all the Torah mitzvos, as opposed to the seven required of non-Jews. "Sincerity" is not necessarily a question of the person's honesty, as such, but rather the certainty that one really wants to take all that on. Once one becomes Jewish, then one's relationship to G-d changes in terms of what is required; and it is easier to keep seven laws than 613.* If one does not really want to take that on, that is fine ... keep seven, and you are in good shape (spiritually speaking).

    * Naturally, not every mitzvah applies to every person, and some cannot be performed in any event, but as a generalization the Jewish people are collectively responsible for all 613 mitzvos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    I always thought you would you wish if your mother was. We were married by a reform rabbi ... my husband was not Jewish. We married a long time ago in those days it was really difficult to find someone who would marry us.
    Someone using speech-to-text?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    If knowing Hebrew was a prerequisite we wouldn't have many Jews.
    There'd be at least two Jews arguing about what it is to be Jewish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    That only applies to conversion, as far as I'm aware. If you are born to a Jewish mother, and you're never taught Hebrew, you're still considered "Jewish" by most religious officials. My wedding was officiated by a conservative rabbi who does not provide marriage services for non-Jews. My sparse Jewish upbringing was not a major obstacle, though I was required to undergo a brief religious "baby-naming" ceremony that my parents skipped when I was an infant.
    Yeah, you're right. If your mother is Jewish every school of Judaism will automatically accept you as Jewish. Orthodox ones might look down upon you if you don't speak Hebrew but only if you are in Israel. Those in the diaspora would expect you to be able to read Hebrew.

    There's a reason why there's a saying - "Two Jews, three opinions". We like to argue even when it might seem pointless to some. I happen to think that constructively arguing about issues is always welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by res View Post
    ... There's a reason why there's a saying - "Two Jews, three opinions". We like to argue even when it might seem pointless to some. I happen to think that constructively arguing about issues is always welcome.
    Many Jewish people know how to raise arguing and debating to an art form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Spanish, like English, is a Romance language; based in Latin. It's easier to represent odd sounds between such languages. Hebrew is not a Romance language; different alphabet, different sounds.
    Hmmm. Sorry, but that has nothing to do with anything. It does not matter one bit that Hebrew is not written with the Latin alphabet.

    If you like phonetics there is an interesting thing called the International Phonetic Alphabet which as implied is used all over the world.

    Pesach in the IPA is written [ˈpeɪsɑːx]; and Mexico, [ˈme.xi.ko]. Both languages use mainly the same sounds as do others in the world.

    The sound [x] is the same. Hence why I used Spanish to help non Hebrew speaking people get a gist of the way pesach is pronounced.

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