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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Oh please, the new Pope put all that to rest. I believe once to a group of reporters he said something like, how do I know my way is the right way? Or something to that effect. I agree with him. I think this new Pope is probably an agnostic at heart.
    This Pope may be an agnostic, but that doesn't change long standing Church doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    This Pope may be an agnostic, but that doesn't change long standing Church doctrine.
    Agreed but refreshing none the less to have the head of one church acknowledge he simply isn't sure one way, his way, is the correct way. To have this come from the man almost a billion people consider the leader of their faith is amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Agreed but refreshing none the less to have the head of one church acknowledge he simply isn't sure one way, his way, is the correct way. To have this come from the man almost a billion people consider the leader of their faith is amazing.
    Attitudes evolve over time. This was never a problem prior to the advent of written language. That froze the evolution of religious belief that existed when religion was transferred through the generations by oral tradition.

    Many protestants now believe that Catholics are capable of finding salvation. That has not always been the case. Obviously, the OP believes that anyone who doesn't practice their particular version of Christianity are doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Attitudes evolve over time. This was never a problem prior to the advent of written language. That froze the evolution of religious belief that existed when religion was transferred through the generations by oral tradition.

    Many protestants now believe that Catholics are capable of finding salvation. That has not always been the case. Obviously, the OP believes that anyone who doesn't practice their particular version of Christianity are doomed.
    I have studied many religions out of curiosity mostly. I practice what I believe is universal. I help who I can, when I can, where I can, as much as I can. If that isn't enough to get me to "heaven" then perhaps I simply don't want to be there anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Who are you to tell anyone ...what and who is their salvation?
    There is only one way to be saved, and his name isn't Pope.

    Who are you to say... Christ said I (not the pope) am the way, the truth, and the life, and NO ONE comes to the father but by me. I didn't say it.. don't credit me for what Christ said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Unless you are Catholic, the Roman Catholic Church says that you have no path to salvation.
    Then they are seriously misleading their followers as the Holy Bible is very clear on that account. Consequently, that is why so many have left the Catholic Church and continue to do so as they are finding out the truth of the importance of salvation thus have moved to a Protestant Church that teaches about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    You are a Born Again Christian. You know nothing of the Catholic Church or the position of the Pope in the minds of the Catholic faithful. Many do believe he has the ear of God and speaks for him on earth like Peter did as the first Pope. I know its nuts but its their belief. In matters of faith the Pope is said to be infallible.
    I know the position of the Pope in the minds to Catholics he is the head of the church. But, the Pope even in the Catholic Church is not the way to salvation. Christ is the only way to salvation, as state in the Nicene Creed.

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    With only a little over one fourth of the Earths population being Christian, and those divided into thousands of different sects, cults, denominations and beliefs, it is ludicrous to believe that one small segment of Christianity has the answer to eternal life and salvation and all other Christians and other religions are excluded and unimportant. Makes me think of Jonestown....
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Attitudes evolve over time. This was never a problem prior to the advent of written language. That froze the evolution of religious belief that existed when religion was transferred through the generations by oral tradition.

    Many protestants now believe that Catholics are capable of finding salvation. That has not always been the case. Obviously, the OP believes that anyone who doesn't practice their particular version of Christianity are doomed.
    Catholics are most certainly able to be saved IF they CONFESS their sins to Jesus and ACCEPT Jesus Christ as their LORD and Savior! That's what it takes over what their pope or anyone else says because they are mere men and thus, fallible. God's word is infallible!

    And it is not just I who says what I say about Christianity and Salvation. It is written in the Word of God.

    "Jesus saith unto him, I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me." -- JOHN 14:6 (KJV)

    "But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." -- JOHN 1:12-13 (KJV)

    "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -- JOHN 3:16 (KJV)

    "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -- JOHN 3:3 (KJV)

    Being "Born Again" means being saved, accepting Jesus Christ as their personal LORD and Savior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    With only a little over one fourth of the Earths population being Christian, and those divided into thousands of different sects, cults, denominations and beliefs, it is ludicrous to believe that one small segment of Christianity has the answer to eternal life and salvation and all other Christians and other religions are excluded and unimportant. Makes me think of Jonestown....
    All people whom God has created are important to Him. He thus, openly welcomes them to join Him in eternal salvation by becoming Born Again.

    There will be and are different religions, sects and denominations. But those who are blind will never see the truth in God's word. And that is that without Jesus Christ no one may attain Heaven. If their own religion, sect or denomination does not teach that then they are imperiled as it is so easy to BELIEVE in Jesus. Why the hesitation? Perhaps it is that they do not wish to join Jesus Christ and be with God when they pass-on. If so, that is a personal choice but most people do want to be with Him because that is for eternity but eternity also exists in the dark place where there is no light, no love and absolutely no happiness except eternal suffering. Why would anyone want to go there? But again, if they do want to go there and by rejecting Jesus Christ they will enter into that dark, unholy place, then they have been forewarned. The rest is up to them to change that in order to save themselves.

    God has set forth His First and Second Commandments to address other religions.

    "I Am The LORD Thy God." -- FIRST COMMANDMENT

    "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me." -- SECOND COMMANDMENT
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