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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    I know the position of the Pope in the minds to Catholics he is the head of the church. But, the Pope even in the Catholic Church is not the way to salvation. Christ is the only way to salvation, as state in the Nicene Creed.
    THE WAY TO SALVATION!!!

    HA HA

    Your faith gives you the answer, good for you.

    The Pope does not disagree with you, that's the point.

    As from the first, God speaks to his Church through the Bible and through sacred Tradition. To make sure we understand him, he guides the Church’s teaching authority—the magisterium—so it always interprets the Bible and Tradition accurately. This is the gift of infallibility.

    Like the three legs on a stool, the Bible, Tradition, and the magisterium are all necessary for the stability of the Church and to guarantee sound doctrine.

    The Magisterium (CCC 85–87, 888–892)

    Together the pope and the bishops form the teaching authority of the Church, which is called the magisterium (from the Latin for "teacher"). The magisterium, guided and protected from error by the Holy Spirit, gives us certainty in matters of doctrine. The Church is the custodian of the Bible and faithfully and accurately proclaims its message, a task which God has empowered it to do.

    Keep in mind that the Church came before the New Testament, not the New Testament before the Church. Divinely-inspired members of the Church wrote the books of the New Testament, just as divinely-inspired writers had written the Old Testament, and the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit to guard and interpret the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments.

    Such an official interpreter is absolutely necessary if we are to understand the Bible properly. (We all know what the Constitution says, but we still need a Supreme Court to interpret what it means.)

    The magisterium is infallible when it teaches officially because Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide the apostles and their successors "into all truth" (John 16:12–13).


    Are You Guaranteed Heaven?

    Some people promote an especially attractive idea: All true Christians, regardless of how they live, have an absolute assurance of salvation, once they accept Jesus into their hearts as "their personal Lord and Savior." The problem is that this belief is contrary to the Bible and constant Christian teaching.

    Keep in mind what Paul told the Christians of his day: "If we have died with him [in baptism; see Rom. 6:3–4] we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him" (2 Tim. 2:11–12).

    If we do not persevere, we shall not reign with him. In other words, Christians can forfeit heaven (CCC 1861).

    The Bible makes it clear that Christians have a moral assurance of salvation (God will be true to his word and will grant salvation to those who have faith in Christ and are obedient to him [1 John 3:19–24]), but the Bible does not teach that Christians have a guarantee of heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of salvation. Writing to Christians, Paul said, "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22–23; Matt. 18:21–35, 1 Cor. 15:1–2, 2 Pet. 2:20–21).

    Note that Paul includes an important condition: "provided you remain in his kindness." He is saying that Christians can lose their salvation by throwing it away. He warns, "Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11–12).

    If you are Catholic and someone asks you if you have been "saved," you should say, "I am redeemed by the blood of Christ, I trust in him alone for my salvation, and, as the Bible teaches, I am ‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’ (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God’s gift of grace that is working in me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Catholics are most certainly able to be saved IF they CONFESS their sins to Jesus and ACCEPT Jesus Christ as their LORD and Savior! That's what it takes over what their pope or anyone else says because they are mere men and thus, fallible. God's word is infallible!

    And it is not just I who says what I say about Christianity and Salvation. It is written in the Word of God.

    "Jesus saith unto him, I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me." -- JOHN 14:6 (KJV)

    "But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." -- JOHN 1:12-13 (KJV)

    "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -- JOHN 3:16 (KJV)

    "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -- JOHN 3:3 (KJV)

    Being "Born Again" means being saved, accepting Jesus Christ as their personal LORD and Savior.

    Your "Word of God" is the King James Version of the Bible. Other folks have different books containing their "Word of God".

    It's not unusual for people who practice various religions to believe that they own the Truth©, and that people who don't practice their particular religion are in error and are therefore doomed. You certainly aren't the only person who holds that attitude. Many consider you to be doomed.

    I suppose that if someone were to eventually return from the dead, we could ask them, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
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    I have done a lot of reading, and research about religion, because it's something that fascinates me. What fascinates me is the compulsion, or need of many to believe in this nonsense. A great many of us seem to have this need to fall back on the crutch of "faith" and belief. People say, all of the time, "Well, it's a matter of faith. You don't need proof," Well, faith for me, in that sense, is synonymous with believing a lie, and that's no explanation at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Drunk posting?
    On the theory that 'God' will understand. But why make the effort of typing it out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Your "Word of God" is the King James Version of the Bible. Other folks have different books containing their "Word of God".

    It's not unusual for people who practice various religions to believe that they own the Truth©, and that people who don't practice their particular religion are in error and are therefore doomed. You certainly aren't the only person who holds that attitude. Many consider you to be doomed.

    I suppose that if someone were to eventually return from the dead, we could ask them, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
    God has given us His First and Second Commandments respectively that address any other "books" people may have.

    "I Am The LORD Thy God." -- First Commandment.

    "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me." -- Second Commandment.

    It is true that many may not believe in God's First and Second Commandments however they will find out the error in their ways soon enough perhaps even while still on Earth. But when they pass-on for their judgment they will sure find out then how wrong they were in not embracing God through Jesus Christ.

    As for someone returning from the dead, I have news for you! They have and they continue to return! Many still do not understand that and may have never heard of those folks who have had a "NDE" or Near-Death Experience. That is, they were declared clinically dead by medical personnel, without a heartbeat, pulse or brain activity for a period of time. And during that time their spirit detached from their physical body and many saw and experienced Heaven and the bliss that is contained therein. They report such love such as they could not fully describe with words being experienced while there. Many atheists have also reported even having been converted into Christianity due to that experience that caused them to believe.

    Other things that have also been reported by people who have had a NDE is that while in that state they rose up from their physical body, in spirit, and could see doctors and nurses working on their body frantically trying to revive them as their spiritual body hovered above near the ceiling. Many however, did not want to return into their physical body. When they were resuscitated and came back to physical life they were able to report things that they could not have possibly known by any stretch of the imagination. Things like what was said by the doctors and the nurses, who were in that room, etc. They could describe clothing and even knew what was happening down the hallway of the hospital room and in other places and could describe what people said and wore, all things that were later verified.

    So yes, many people, world-wide, have indeed been "dead" for a period of time and then have come back when revived and have revealed what they saw while out of their body. That is not fantasy. It is Proven Fact as reported by many doctors and medical personnel, scientists, professors, pastors and other learned people who have observed those cases and interviewed people having that experience. Many books have been written as well on the subject and video documentaries made.

    The following gives tremendous insight into this very subject matter! Also note the many other videos on the subject to the right of the page and scrolling downward. All are worthy of being seen!

    Near Death Experiences: Proof that Jesus Exists
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_DGTt9rENM


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    With only a little over one fourth of the Earths population being Christian, and those divided into thousands of different sects, cults, denominations and beliefs, it is ludicrous to believe that one small segment of Christianity has the answer to eternal life and salvation and all other Christians and other religions are excluded and unimportant. Makes me think of Jonestown....
    Not very inclusive either. Very arrogant as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    As for someone returning from the dead, I have news for you! They have and they continue to return! Many still do not understand that and may have never heard of those folks who have had a "NDE" or Near-Death Experience.
    "Near death" is not death. No human (nor any other animal, for that matter) has ever been observed to return from death.

    NDE mythology is no more persuasive, in my opinion, than is alien abduction mythology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I have done a lot of reading, and research about religion, because it's something that fascinates me. What fascinates me is the compulsion, or need of many to believe in this nonsense. A great many of us seem to have this need to fall back on the crutch of "faith" and belief. People say, all of the time, "Well, it's a matter of faith. You don't need proof," Well, faith for me, in that sense, is synonymous with believing a lie, and that's no explanation at all.
    It doesn't bother me that people choose to have blind faith, that is their business to believe that way. But to claim all of us must believe the same thing in the same way or we are somehow damned, is arrogant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    God has given us His First and Second Commandments respectively that address any other "books" people may have.

    "I Am The LORD Thy God." -- First Commandment.

    "Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me." -- Second Commandment.

    It is true that many may not believe in God's First and Second Commandments however they will find out the error in their ways soon enough perhaps even while still on Earth. But when they pass-on for their judgment they will sure find out then how wrong they were in not embracing God through Jesus Christ.
    Those words come from the Hebrew Bible and refer to the God of the Jews.

    While Christianity is a derivative form of Judaism, just as Mormonism is a derivative form of Christianity, Mainstream Jews would argue that you worship a false God in the person of Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    "Near death" is not death. No human (nor any other animal, for that matter) has ever been observed to return from death.

    NDE mythology is no more persuasive, in my opinion, than is alien abduction mythology.
    Near-Death Experiences have been well documented the world over and there is good proof of that. You however have the prerogative to disbelieve the facts that have been presented.

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