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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    THE WAY TO SALVATION!!!

    HA HA

    Your faith gives you the answer, good for you.

    The Pope does not disagree with you, that's the point.

    As from the first, God speaks to his Church through the Bible and through sacred Tradition. To make sure we understand him, he guides the Church’s teaching authority—the magisterium—so it always interprets the Bible and Tradition accurately. This is the gift of infallibility.

    Like the three legs on a stool, the Bible, Tradition, and the magisterium are all necessary for the stability of the Church and to guarantee sound doctrine.

    The Magisterium (CCC 85–87, 888–892)

    Together the pope and the bishops form the teaching authority of the Church, which is called the magisterium (from the Latin for "teacher"). The magisterium, guided and protected from error by the Holy Spirit, gives us certainty in matters of doctrine. The Church is the custodian of the Bible and faithfully and accurately proclaims its message, a task which God has empowered it to do.

    Keep in mind that the Church came before the New Testament, not the New Testament before the Church. Divinely-inspired members of the Church wrote the books of the New Testament, just as divinely-inspired writers had written the Old Testament, and the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit to guard and interpret the entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments.

    Such an official interpreter is absolutely necessary if we are to understand the Bible properly. (We all know what the Constitution says, but we still need a Supreme Court to interpret what it means.)

    The magisterium is infallible when it teaches officially because Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide the apostles and their successors "into all truth" (John 16:12–13).


    Are You Guaranteed Heaven?

    Some people promote an especially attractive idea: All true Christians, regardless of how they live, have an absolute assurance of salvation, once they accept Jesus into their hearts as "their personal Lord and Savior." The problem is that this belief is contrary to the Bible and constant Christian teaching.

    Keep in mind what Paul told the Christians of his day: "If we have died with him [in baptism; see Rom. 6:3–4] we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him" (2 Tim. 2:11–12).

    If we do not persevere, we shall not reign with him. In other words, Christians can forfeit heaven (CCC 1861).

    The Bible makes it clear that Christians have a moral assurance of salvation (God will be true to his word and will grant salvation to those who have faith in Christ and are obedient to him [1 John 3:19–24]), but the Bible does not teach that Christians have a guarantee of heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of salvation. Writing to Christians, Paul said, "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22–23; Matt. 18:21–35, 1 Cor. 15:1–2, 2 Pet. 2:20–21).

    Note that Paul includes an important condition: "provided you remain in his kindness." He is saying that Christians can lose their salvation by throwing it away. He warns, "Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11–12).

    If you are Catholic and someone asks you if you have been "saved," you should say, "I am redeemed by the blood of Christ, I trust in him alone for my salvation, and, as the Bible teaches, I am ‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’ (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God’s gift of grace that is working in me."
    Thanks for proving me correct unlike your false claim, Catholics believe you are saved by the Pope... ]

    Last paragraph of you post.. proves what I said was correct and you were clueless... So, oops
    If you are Catholic and someone asks you if you have been "saved," you should say, "I am redeemed by the blood of Christ, I trust in him alone for my salvation, and, as the Bible teaches, I am ‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’ (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God’s gift of grace that is working in me."

    There is a disagreement with the Catholic Doctrine and what I believe. "I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling"

    you see Salvation is not something you work on.. it is not a wage, it is a gift (you do know the difference in a gift and a wage right).

    He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast.…
    The wage we earn is Death... ... God replaced that wage with the Gift.... he is not giving what we have earned, but what we don't do not deserve all we have to do is accept the gift, or reject the gift.. it is OUR DECISION once that decision is made to accept then we have eternal life.

    For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    look at it this way, you work at your job for the last 2 weeks, Is your paycheck a wage or a gift?

    Someone gives you a car for your birthday is that a wage or a sin.. the gift is offered you can say:

    I love it thank you.

    or

    "I don't like a that car, I don't want it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Near-Death Experiences have been well documented the world over and there is good proof of that. You however have the prerogative to disbelieve the facts that have been presented.
    Yes, there is certainly evidence of people being incorrectly diagnosed as being "dead". It is a difficult diagnoses to make when a person has lost consciousness and temporarily shows no discernible vital signs such as heartbeat or breathing. Still, nobody has ever been observed to have returned from actually being dead. You're welcome to believe the fantastic stories that people tell about returning from death, or from alien abduction -- just as you are welcome to believe in fairies in your garden or hobgoblins hiding underneath your bed.

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    Those words come from the Hebrew Bible and refer to the God of the Jews.

    While Christianity is a derivative form of Judaism, just as Mormonism is a derivative form of Christianity, Mainstream Jews would argue that you worship a false God in the person of Jesus Christ.
    But recalcitrant Jews will sure learn from the Second Coming of Jesus Christ when the time comes and they see Him. And it is they who worship a false god by not believing in Jesus Christ the One True God as One with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

    And Mormonism is not at all associated with Christianity. Just look at what they believe that are false teachings.

    Mormons believe in people becoming gods and goddesses to be bowed down on. That is a very wrong teaching!

    They also believe that Jesus Christ was strictly human and not Divine but that He advanced to being considered as a God. They also falsely believe that Jesus was married to several women. That is blatantly blasphemous!

    Other beliefs of theirs is that God the Father had a corporeal body and still maintains one and so does The Holy Spirit. That is a False teaching! Although we know from the Holy Bible that God IS DIVINE SPIRIT.

    And an amazing thing about them is that they feel that a person once deceased may be baptized thus become saved. That is so incorrect! God has told us the two ways man can be saved and that is to Confess their sins to Jesus and to Accept Jesus as their LORD and Savior. There is no other way! If it was the way Mormons believe then man could just live it up and sin and sin and sin to their heart's content and then expire and become baptized and then still be able to enter into Heaven. Such rubbish! After God has taught us the One and Only Way to become saved, He cannot be amused to know how those people teach and how they are imperiling the souls of those who believe them.

    That is truly sad as anyone who would believe the Mormon teachings is in danger of seriously being spiritually misled. Period. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    But recalcitrant Jews will sure learn from the Second Coming of Jesus Christ when the time comes and they see Him. And it is they who worship a false god by not believing in Jesus Christ the One True God as One with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

    And Mormonism is not at all associated with Christianity. Just look at what they believe that are false teachings.

    Mormons believe in people becoming gods and goddesses to be bowed down on. That is a very wrong teaching!

    They also believe that Jesus Christ was strictly human and not Divine but that He advanced to being considered as a God. They also falsely believe that Jesus was married to several women. That is blatantly blasphemous!

    Other beliefs of theirs is that God the Father had a corporeal body and still maintains one and so does The Holy Spirit. That is a False teaching! Although we know from the Holy Bible that God IS DIVINE SPIRIT.

    And an amazing thing about them is that they feel that a person once deceased may be baptized thus become saved. That is so incorrect! God has told us the two ways man can be saved and that is to Confess their sins to Jesus and to Accept Jesus as their LORD and Savior. There is no other way! If it was the way Mormons believe then man could just live it up and sin and sin and sin to their heart's content and then expire and become baptized and then still be able to enter into Heaven. Such rubbish! After God has taught us the One and Only Way to become saved, He cannot be amused to know how those people teach and how they are imperiling the souls of those who believe them.

    That is truly sad as anyone who would believe the Mormon teachings is in danger of seriously being spiritually misled. Period. End of story.
    Aside from being rude and arrogant, it has become obvious that you are also quite ignorant of the subject matter that you are attempting to discuss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes, there is certainly evidence of people being incorrectly diagnosed as being "dead". It is a difficult diagnoses to make when a person has lost consciousness and temporarily shows no discernible vital signs such as heartbeat or breathing. Still, nobody has ever been observed to have returned from actually being dead. You're welcome to believe the fantastic stories that people tell about returning from death, or from alien abduction -- just as you are welcome to believe in fairies in your garden or hobgoblins hiding underneath your bed.
    I dare you to tell that to all of the many doctors and other professionals world-wide who know of the Near-Death Experience and that people were clinically dead before being brought back to life thus, resuscitated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    I dare you to tell that to all of the many doctors and other professionals world-wide who know of the Near-Death Experience and that people were clinically dead before being brought back to life thus, resuscitated.
    Go ahead. Dare me.

    See if I care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    But recalcitrant Jews will sure learn from the Second Coming of Jesus Christ when the time comes and they see Him. And it is they who worship a false god by not believing in Jesus Christ the One True God as One with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

    And Mormonism is not at all associated with Christianity. Just look at what they believe that are false teachings.

    Mormons believe in people becoming gods and goddesses to be bowed down on. That is a very wrong teaching!

    They also believe that Jesus Christ was strictly human and not Divine but that He advanced to being considered as a God. They also falsely believe that Jesus was married to several women. That is blatantly blasphemous!

    Other beliefs of theirs is that God the Father had a corporeal body and still maintains one and so does The Holy Spirit. That is a False teaching! Although we know from the Holy Bible that God IS DIVINE SPIRIT.

    And an amazing thing about them is that they feel that a person once deceased may be baptized thus become saved. That is so incorrect! God has told us the two ways man can be saved and that is to Confess their sins to Jesus and to Accept Jesus as their LORD and Savior. There is no other way! If it was the way Mormons believe then man could just live it up and sin and sin and sin to their heart's content and then expire and become baptized and then still be able to enter into Heaven. Such rubbish! After God has taught us the One and Only Way to become saved, He cannot be amused to know how those people teach and how they are imperiling the souls of those who believe them.

    That is truly sad as anyone who would believe the Mormon teachings is in danger of seriously being spiritually misled. Period. End of story.
    So basically you are intolerant of those that believe differently than you do? How do you reconcile that with your political views, as you are quite active here on political threads? If you are intolerant to others based on their religion or lack thereof, how could you possibly claim to ever be tolerant of anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Aside from being rude and arrogant, it has become obvious that you are also quite ignorant of the subject matter that you are attempting to discuss.
    Non-Believers will always say the worst things about those who present the Word of God.

    Jesus addresses those who speak and think as you do.

    "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits together whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." -- 1 JOHN 4:1 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    So basically you are intolerant of those that believe differently than you do? How do you reconcile that with your political views, as you are quite active here on political threads? If you are intolerant to others based on their religion or lack thereof, how could you possibly claim to ever be tolerant of anything?
    It is not my intolerance that brings condemnation my friend. It is God's for His Word shall not be mocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Non-Believers will always say the worst things about those who present the Word of God.

    Jesus addresses those who speak and think as you do.

    "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits together whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." -- 1 JOHN 4:1 (KJV)
    You have no idea what I believe, you rude, arrogant and hateful git.

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