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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Babies and young children are innocents. They cannot fend for themselves. Therefore, it is entirely up to their parents to try to better themselves in order to feed, clothe and educate their children. If the parents thought enough of their children, their own flesh and blood that they brought into the world, they would become productive one way or another or move to a country where they could accomplish that goal. They cannot simply remain complacent and allow their children to starve. But again, God sees everything and in His mercy and kindness He does allow the parents to go elsewhere if they can't find work locally in order to better themselves. The cost of not doing so is quite high especially when it involves children. Yet if it wasn't that way when would parents ever learn how to be truly responsible for their children? God has to set His foot down sometimes with tough love in order to open people's eyes. If people would only understand that this is for their own good they would immediately thank God for the challenge and get on with the business of providing properly for their children.
    Are you sure you are a democrat??? Because that sounds like something right out of the conservative right wing playbook.
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    No, it isn't God's fault for starvation, sickness, calamities, etc. and I have stated that time and time and again.
    God created every sub-atomic particle and force in the universe, and when he did, he knew at the moment of creation how every single sub-atomic particle would proceed and every consequence that would arise from every interaction between those particles and those forces. He knew all of this perfectly, down to unimaginable detail. In that scenario, reality is little more than god's artwork. And if he didn't want disease or murder, he could easily have adjusted some parameter at the start of the universe to lead to some different reality, which he would also be able to plan out and execute in perfect (infallible and complete) detail.

    Everything that happens is god's will, by definition. Everything.

    If the parents thought enough of their children, their own flesh and blood that they brought into the world, they would become productive one way or another or move to a country where they could accomplish that goal.
    If god thought enough of his children, his own flesh and blood that he brought into this world, he would be more compassionate toward them and make sure innocent babies weren't born into the world addicted to fucking crack, suffer withdrawal and die, and that's the end of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    But at least they get to go to the coolest club in all of Christianity if they die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Are you sure you are a democrat??? Because that sounds like something right out of the conservative right wing playbook.
    As democrats go, he does have an unwavering and unquestioning faith in everything the party does, so that fits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    As democrats go, he does have an unwavering and unquestioning faith in everything the party does, so that fits.
    But claiming if slaves prayed enough they wouldn't have been slaves? Or that "if the parents thought enough of their children, their own flesh and blood that they brought into the world, they would become productive one way or another or move to a country where they could accomplish that goal" is fresh out of right wing theology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    God created every sub-atomic particle and force in the universe, and when he did, he knew at the moment of creation how every single sub-atomic particle would proceed and every consequence that would arise from every interaction between those particles and those forces. He knew all of this perfectly, down to unimaginable detail. In that scenario, reality is little more than god's artwork. And if he didn't want disease or murder, he could easily have adjusted some parameter at the start of the universe to lead to some different reality, which he would also be able to plan out and execute in perfect (infallible and complete) detail.

    Everything that happens is god's will, by definition. Everything.



    If god thought enough of his children, his own flesh and blood that he brought into this world, he would be more compassionate toward them and make sure innocent babies weren't born into the world addicted to fucking crack, suffer withdrawal and die, and that's the end of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Babies and young children are innocents. They cannot fend for themselves. Therefore, it is entirely up to their parents to try to better themselves in order to feed, clothe and educate their children. If the parents thought enough of their children, their own flesh and blood that they brought into the world, they would become productive one way or another or move to a country where they could accomplish that goal. They cannot simply remain complacent and allow their children to starve. But again, God sees everything and in His mercy and kindness He does allow the parents to go elsewhere if they can't find work locally in order to better themselves. The cost of not doing so is quite high especially when it involves children. Yet if it wasn't that way when would parents ever learn how to be truly responsible for their children? God has to set His foot down sometimes with tough love in order to open people's eyes. If people would only understand that this is for their own good they would immediately thank God for the challenge and get on with the business of providing properly for their children.
    Yes those people dying of starvation in the bush country of Africa should just pick up and get a condo in Manhattan. You seem to lack as much compassion for people . You are blaming the people who cannot afford to move because of poverty....you are blaming the victim and defending a God who is sadistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    But claiming if slaves prayed enough they wouldn't have been slaves? Or that "if the parents thought enough of their children, their own flesh and blood that they brought into the world, they would become productive one way or another or move to a country where they could accomplish that goal" is fresh out of right wing theology.
    Yeah, screw the Beatitudes, the meek shall inherit nothing. They just get stepped on by the creative class of people achieving their goals and holding up everyone else... or so says St. Ayn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    Yes those people dying of starvation in the bush country of Africa should just pick up and get a condo in Manhattan. You seem to lack as much compassion for people . You are blaming the people who cannot afford to move because of poverty....you are blaming the victim and defending a God who is sadistic
    God is never sadistic and that's an incontrovertible Fact. He gave each and every person a good brain with which to think with and accomplish much. Whether they do so or not is entirely up to them due to their free will that God has also given to them. Those living in a poor country can use their brain power to help themselves other than to simply fold over and perish. That is not the way of God. God is disappointed to see otherwise good, able-bodied men and women abandon what should be their desire to help their children as well as themselves if they are able. If they are not able to do so then it is up to the government where they live to come in and assist them as is right, just and most proper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    God is never sadistic and that's an incontrovertible Fact. He gave each and every person a good brain with which to think with and accomplish much. Whether they do so or not is entirely up to them due to their free will that God has also given to them. Those living in a poor country can use their brain power to help themselves other than to simply fold over and perish. That is not the way of God. God is disappointed to see otherwise good, able-bodied men and women abandon what should be their desire to help their children as well as themselves if they are able. If they are not able to do so then it is up to the government where they live to come in and assist them as is right, just and most proper.
    So tell me how those little dying babies can use their brains to save themselves from starvation. What would you think of me if I were able to save a child from dying by giving it food but allowed it to die. I bet you would call me cruel. If God is omnipotent why can't he make a little rain so the people don't die of starvation. To say that the people who have lived in this land for generations and were able to survive deserve to die because they didn't make provisions in case of famine and drought. For someone so religious I find it amazing that you can blame innocent people. What about those earthquakes and tsunami's? How do people use that brain that you speak of as they are dying in agony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    "God helps those who help themselves," Huh. You know that, not only is that not a biblical principle found anywhere in the Bible, but it is actually contrary to very specific admonitions found within the Bible, right?

    In fact, don't take my word for it, here it is from a Christian pastor:
    Often those who say it are speaking about the poor and it is used as an excuse to avoid helping those in need. Yet many of those who are trapped in poverty cannot escape without the help of others, which is why the Bible consistently calls us to help those in need. In those moments we become God’s means of answering another’s prayers.
    This points to the even more significant falsehood in “God helps those who help themselves.” The very essence of the gospel is that God helps those who cannot help themselves. Christians believe that we cannot save ourselves from the brokenness and alienation from God that we call sin. We are constantly in need of saving, which is why we call Jesus, “Savior.” There is a theological word for God’s willingness to help those who cannot help themselves: we call it GRACE.
    He, of course, can believe as he will. People cannot expect for God to carry them through life without they doing anything to help themselves if they are able to as I've said before. Few would disagree with that. However, he is right in one thing. Those who legitimately cannot help themselves need to rely on the government for help. Thank you for bringing that point out in the pastor's message! I am in full agreement with that.

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