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    Jesus was a Jew you must not forget.
    But not a Torah-observant Jew, who in fact attempted to persuade people to abandon Torah law.

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    As for the rest of the Jews many HAVE CONVERTED!
    Most have not, throughout history, even at the cost of their lives.

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    As for those who have not only God can determine what happens to them.
    And what does your religion specify is supposed to happen to the vast majority of Jews who do not convert ... ?

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    That is a dishonest organization, masquerading as a Jewish organization for the purpose of converting Jews who are not solidly educated in Judaism.

    <----- Torah-observant (i.e., Orthodox) Jew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    But not a Torah-observant Jew, who in fact attempted to persuade people to abandon Torah law.


    Most have not, throughout history, even at the cost of their lives.


    And what does your religion specify is supposed to happen to the vast majority of Jews who do not convert ... ?


    That is a dishonest organization, masquerading as a Jewish organization for the purpose of converting Jews who are not solidly educated in Judaism.

    <----- Torah-observant (i.e., Orthodox) Jew.
    Jesus had then and continues to have a Divine Nature therefore in His awesome omniscience He did not have to submit to any religion as He is the Son of God and as such IS ONE with God.

    It is not for any religion to condemn anyone. That is strictly under the exclusive jurisdiction of God and God alone. We however, have The Holy Bible that sets forth the dictates for how a man or woman can attain and enter into Heaven at their appointed time.

    Jews For Jesus is most certainly not dishonest. They aim to educate Jews and others about Jesus being the Messiah that is something that many Jews appear to be devoid of acknowledging. Many Jews have joined that wonderful organization and I applaud them for doing so! May God Bless Them!

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    You would think there are enough warnings against idolatry for people to stop worshiping a book, a cross, a church, a ceremony, etc. People just cannot resist the golden calf for very long. It always leads to evil, dark places.

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    You would think there are enough warnings against idolatry for people to stop worshiping a book, a cross, a church, a ceremony, etc. People just cannot resist the golden calf for very long. It always leads to evil, dark places.
    The worshipping of a golden calf indeed leads to a person's destruction and leads them into an evil, dark place. But the Word of God is the water of life that brings new life into a person who is spiritually dead.

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    Jesus had then and continues to have a Divine Nature therefore in His awesome omniscience He did not have to submit to any religion as He is the Son of God and as such IS ONE with God.
    That would make no sense in Judaism, wherein G-d commanded that the Torah be followed and said that its covenant is eternal. G-d is not a man that he would change his mind.

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    Jews For Jesus is most certainly not dishonest. They aim to educate Jews and others about Jesus being the Messiah that is something that many Jews appear to be devoid of acknowledging.
    It aims to convert Jews to Xianity by pretending to be a Jewish organization, which it most certainly is not, and to take advantage of non-observant Jews who lack a solid Jewish education. Evangelical Xianity is not Jewish, and Jews are not missing anything by not being Xian, whether or not educated in Judaism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That would make no sense in Judaism, wherein G-d commanded that the Torah be followed and said that its covenant is eternal. G-d is not a man that he would change his mind.


    It aims to convert Jews to Xianity by pretending to be a Jewish organization, which it most certainly is not, and to take advantage of non-observant Jews who lack a solid Jewish education. Evangelical Xianity is not Jewish, and Jews are not missing anything by not being Xian, whether or not educated in Judaism.
    God did not change his mind, sin is still sin, but, Christ is the reprieve from the punishment of sin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    The worshipping of a golden calf indeed leads to a person's destruction and leads them into an evil, dark place. But the Word of God is the water of life that brings new life into a person who is spiritually dead.
    Thinking you know and understand the word of god is the same thing as worshiping a golden calf.

    You should do your best to eradicate any beliefs that you know anything about what God wants. Especially what He might want for or require of others. The presumption of such understanding should be obvious. People need to respect their own limitations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    G-d did not change his mind, sin is still sin, but, Christ is the reprieve from the punishment of sin.
    That would be a change in the Torah. Hashem, in manifesting an attribute of mercy, already reprieves such punishment at times. The Torah is eternal and unchanging, as is G-d.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    LOL so the talking point to having your beliefs questioned is to ignore and just dig in, not to answer or examine the challenge, the refutation of your beliefs? If we did that, we could never progress forward. We could not learn with that approach .....this is what religion asks you to do? That sounds like an argument against the concept of religion to me.....anything that tells me not to learn would be a negative in my view and certainly not some bedrock philosophy for how to live life!
    What if the point of the challenge isn't enlightenment but simple nihilism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Thinking you know and understand the word of god is the same thing as worshiping a golden calf.
    Somewhat. The idea behind the Golden Calf - or any form of idolatry - is that of worshipping something other than G-d. In the above case, it would be as though one was worshipping oneself.

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