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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That would be a change in the Torah. Hashem, in manifesting an attribute of mercy, already reprieves such punishment at times. The Torah is eternal and unchanging, as is G-d.
    Not really what was G_D's promise to Abraham when he offered Isaac as a sacrifice?


    His line will be a blessing to ALL nations.. Yeshua is that blessing.

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    Thinking you know and understand the word of god is the same thing as worshiping a golden calf.

    You should do your best to eradicate any beliefs that you know anything about what God wants. Especially what He might want for or require of others. The presumption of such understanding should be obvious. People need to respect their own limitations.
    I know what is spiritual truth according to the Word of God. It is what is deep in my heart and permeates through my soul and spirit and I am most happy to speak of it with those who are interested in listening and knowing more.

    God has taught us in Scripture to go out and proclaim His word to the world and to that end that is exactly what I intend to do despite the Anti-Christs hoping to stop me. They cannot as God's Word Will Always Prevail!

    "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." -- MATTHEW 28:19-20 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Not really what was G_D's promise to Abraham when he offered Isaac as a sacrifice?

    His line will be a blessing to ALL nations.. Yeshua is that blessing.
    Yes, it would be a change in the Torah. There is no such provision in there.

    Hashem said: "[T]hrough your children shall be blessed all the nations of the world, because you hearkened to My voice." Through his children, i.e., his descendants - all of them, not just one of them. There is nothing in the Torah that a man would be the blessing. In fact, it merely says "blessed." Adding to the Torah is changing it.

    Note, too, that human sacrifice is against halacha - derived directly from the Akeidah. The episode is a demonstration that human sacrifice - a common practice at that time - is abhorrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Many have the mistaken idea that there is no Hell. But if there wasn't then man would never strive to learn right from wrong and would feel that no matter what they do they would go to Heaven to be with Jesus Christ. But that is not correct. When man sins there are dire consequences without seeking forgiveness from God. And it is only by becoming saved or Born Again that we can enter into Heaven according to Scripture. Why take the chance on being wrong by believing there is no God? It is very easy to join God through Jesus Christ and receive eternal salvation. The choice is yours. But if you prefer the opposite of Heaven as your infernal/eternal place to send your soul and spirit then you have free will choice to go there as well. Most people however, prefer Heaven as do I.

    I will not entertain dialog with infidels and heathens who do not want to understand about Jesus Christ but who merely come for the ruination of souls.







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    What makes you think men would not strive to distinguish right from wrong without a god or jesus?

    Man was doing this long before the time of the jesus character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Many have the mistaken idea that there is no Hell. But if there wasn't then man would never strive to learn right from wrong and would feel that no matter what they do they would go to Heaven to be with Jesus Christ. But that is not correct. When man sins there are dire consequences without seeking forgiveness from God. And it is only by becoming saved or Born Again that we can enter into Heaven according to Scripture. Why take the chance on being wrong by believing there is no God? It is very easy to join God through Jesus Christ and receive eternal salvation. The choice is yours. But if you prefer the opposite of Heaven as your infernal/eternal place to send your soul and spirit then you have free will choice to go there as well. Most people however, prefer Heaven as do I.

    I will not entertain dialog with infidels and heathens who do not want to understand about Jesus Christ but who merely come for the ruination of souls.







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    ARE YOU GOING TO HELL? HEAVEN NOT HELL FOR FOR ME, YES, HEAV
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Yes, it would be a change in the Torah. There is no such provision in there.

    Hashem said: "[T]hrough your children shall be blessed all the nations of the world, because you hearkened to My voice." Through his children, i.e., his descendants - all of them, not just one of them. There is nothing in the Torah that a man would be the blessing. In fact, it merely says "blessed." Adding to the Torah is changing it.

    Note, too, that human sacrifice is against halacha - derived directly from the Akeidah. The episode is a demonstration that human sacrifice - a common practice at that time - is abhorrent.
    Yes there is, remember the sacrifices in the temple.. they were for absolution from Sin.

    G_D became man dewlt among us in flesh, lived a sinless life, and sacrificed himself as Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac, to return to his original plan, a personal relationship with mankind as he had in Eden.

    We no longer sacrifice nor do the Jews. Because the temple became our bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Yes there is, remember the sacrifices in the temple.. they were for absolution from Sin.
    Actually, most of the sacrifices had nothing to do with sin. Those few that did, were only for unintentional sins - i.e., a sacrifice could not atone for an intentional sin. And even then, the sacrifice was not required or necessary for such atonement; it was an option.

    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    G_D became man dewlt among us in flesh, lived a sinless life, and sacrificed himself.
    That makes no sense in Judaism. G-d is not a man, and no man is G-d.

    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    ... as Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac, to return to his original plan, a personal relationship with mankind as he had in Eden.
    That is not at all a Jewish understanding of the Akeidah.

    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    We no longer sacrifice nor do the Jews. Because the temple became our bodies.
    That makes no sense. The Temple was an edifice. (Well, two, but not contemporaneously.) The Temple still stood and was in use during and after Jesus's death, so it is impossible for him to have rebuilt it, as the Moshiach is supposed to. Furthermore, the only reason there are no sacrifices in Judaism today is precisely because there is no Temple. It has nothing to do with Xianity's claims, which have nothing whatsoever to do with the Torah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I do not believe in either eternal punishment or streets of gold; I do believe fervently, in an afterlife.
    The atoms that I am comprised of will break down upon my death. They will will become soil, vegetables, trees, grass, clouds, pig farts, oxygen, one of them might help form a baby's eyelash, another might contribute to a cabbage.

    And thus we are immortal, and one.

    I don't understand why people cling to silly "miracles" when reality is so much grander, magical and miraculous than the fables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    I will not entertain dialog with infidels and heathens who do not want to understand about Jesus Christ but who merely come for the ruination of souls.
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    If the bolded is true, then HOW is this your Title? Are you going to hell?...

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