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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    No, I don't want a religious person convicted of a crime because of their beliefs
    You don't get convicted of a crime because of your beliefs. That's impossible.

    You get convicted of a crime by forcing your beliefs into the lives of other people. That's common sense.

    This is why Jewish politicians can't ban YOU from eating pork. But THEY can live their life without eating it.

    Its why someone with a sincere, genuine religious belief that he can hit his wife - will end up in cells.

    Trump knows that. He couldn't care less when nothing about abortion or discrimination law changes.

    I can't even imagine what sort of constitutional amendment would possibly have a "all people must agree to let Christian beliefs and values set laws that all must follow".

    Its sad. And there's no shortage of votes, it seems, available to any huckster scam artist who can say the magic words. "Vote for me and I'll end abortions and gays"
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Sometimes you admit it. Sometimes you deny it. Whichever way the wind blows that day, I guess.



    Nope. I'm pretty much good with how life unfolds. Remember? I'm okay with Gorsuch and that causes your brain to shut down.



    Why? Why not just let the law be the law? You do know you're not required to be a hypocrite and complain about what you think liberals do and then want to do the same thing yourself, right?
    If your ready for the way life unfolds, be ready for a Supreme Court Justice to make a statement like " I think America is ready to be a Christian Nation again". Then rule for the Bible to be taught in public schools again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    If your ready for the way life unfolds, be ready for a Supreme Court Justice to make a statement like " I think America is ready to be a Christian Nation again". Then rule for the Bible to be taught in public schools again.
    See, this is where I think you're going to be disappointed. If I were you, I wouldn't trust a habitual sinner like Donald Trump to bring about the theocracy you so desperately want. I mean, he might keep trying to con you and you might continue to fall for it... I'm just saying don't set your expectations real high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    You don't get convicted of a crime because of your beliefs. That's impossible.

    You get convicted of a crime by forcing your beliefs into the lives of other people. That's common sense.

    This is why Jewish politicians can't ban YOU from eating pork. But THEY can live their life without eating it.

    Its why someone with a sincere, genuine religious belief that he can hit his wife - will end up in cells.

    Trump knows that. He couldn't care less when nothing about abortion or discrimination law changes.

    I can't even imagine what sort of constitutional amendment would possibly have a "all people must agree to let Christian beliefs and values set laws that all must follow".

    Its sad. And there's no shortage of votes, it seems, available to any huckster scam artist who can say the magic words. "Vote for me and I'll end abortions and gays"
    Really all a Christian business owners would like, is to choose the direction their business goes without court intervention. For instance, I do Traditional Wedding photography only. Due to current laws i must do Gay wedding photography or I could be sued. I believe a company should have the choice on what business they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Really all a Christian business owners would like, is to choose the direction their business goes without court intervention. For instance, I do Traditional Wedding photography only. Due to current laws i must do Gay wedding photography or I could be sued. I believe a company should have the choice on what business they do.
    Cool... are you going to tell us again how you don't know how to photograph a gay wedding because you don't know who stands where?

    Please?

    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    See, this is where I think you're going to be disappointed. If I were you, I wouldn't trust a habitual sinner like Donald Trump to bring about the theocracy you so desperately want. I mean, he might keep trying to con you and you might continue to fall for it... I'm just saying don't set your expectations real high.
    The DeVos family are billionaires, but in the interview, Betsy DeVos said that rather than just give money to boost Christian schools, she’s fighting to change the whole system because there “aren’t enough philanthropic dollars in America to fund what is currently the need in education.”

    Betsy DeVos also described her efforts, using the biblical term “Shephelah,” an area where battles — including between David and Goliath — were fought in the Old Testament.

    “Our desire is to be in that Shephelah, and to confront the culture in which we all live today in ways that will continue to help advance God’s Kingdom, but not to stay in our own faith territory,” she said.

    Those who know DeVos say her goals are not sinister — though they acknowledge the policies she’s likely to advance would benefit Christian schools. In fact, Trump’s $20 billion school choice program that would allow low-income students to select private or charter schools was devised with the help of the advocacy group DeVos headed until recently.Trump's education pick says reform can 'advance God's Kingdom' - POLITICO its beginning

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Cool... are you going to tell us again how you don't know how to photograph a gay wedding because you don't know who stands where?

    Please?

    LOL
    I will shoot a Gay wedding the same way I shoot a traditional one. I call the groom and the groomsmen and the Bride and Bridesmaids to the shoot. If they don't show up that is their problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Really all a Christian business owners would like, is to choose the direction their business goes without court intervention. For instance, I do Traditional Wedding photography only. Due to current laws i must do Gay wedding photography or I could be sued. I believe a company should have the choice on what business they do.
    Interestingly enough, I have some sympathy with you on this point. But I would add that if you have a street front shop, or if only on the internet, before people "enter" there is an easily seen sign stating your position, ie something like "this shop will not service gay weddings".

    The problem is that it does open a can of worms. The same logic would make it legal to post "this shop will not service blacks". That one is still a first amendment thing to me, but given history, it is problematic.

    It therefore still causes me to debate internally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Really all a Christian business owners would like, is to choose the direction their business goes without court intervention. For instance, I do Traditional Wedding photography only. Due to current laws i must do Gay wedding photography or I could be sued. I believe a company should have the choice on what business they do.
    Why not just say that all photographs included in any package booked with you will come with bible verses printed in the corner? That'd be perfectly legal as long as you stuck with it with every potential customer: heterosexuals, homosexuals, Jews, Muslims, and more. That way you'd probably have to deal less with people you find distasteful in a legal way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Interestingly enough, I have some sympathy with you on this point. But I would add that if you have a street front shop, or if only on the internet, before people "enter" there is an easily seen sign stating your position, ie something like "this shop will not service gay weddings".

    The problem is that it does open a can of worms. The same logic would make it legal to post "this shop will not service blacks". That one is still a first amendment thing to me, but given history, it is problematic.

    It therefore still causes me to debate internally.
    The street shop would not say " Will not serves Gays" It would say "We do Traditional Weddings Only". We be similar to an auto service shop saying "We service German Cars". That is pretty common

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