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    Three perspectives on why man is Godís master.

    Three perspectives on why man is Godís master.

    Perspective 1.
    Has man forgotten his rightful place as Godís master?

    A theology makes you a slave to your God while the Jesus that Gnostic Christians follow has man take his rightful place as Godís master. After all, all the Gods are man-made. That is why Gnostic Christianity has always put man ahead of God. The Karaite Jews have that view as well as their oral tradition can overrule the written Torah and God himself, showing how old this tradition or ideology is.

    It seems that without the lie of a supernatural God, people are not willing to have a man be God the way the ancients used to do. Emperors used to name themselves God and their sons, sons of God.

    One of the Jesus' that the church did not silence, tells us that that is the right way to think when he said, instead of stoning people on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. I extrapolate from that, that Jesus would also say that religions and gods were made for man and not man for religions. Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Yee are gods?

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    Perspective 2.
    Does the Bible show that our next God is a Man?

    The Bible states that when Jesus returns, his elect will make themselves known and elect him to rule over them. The Bible states that our new Jesus will not be recognizable and he will be elected by his Words. Remember that the story tellers, in one of the sequels, have named Jesus. --- The Word.

    The Abrahamic Karaite oral tradition is that Rabbis, men generally, can overrule the written Word of God. In real language, this means that the interpretation of words and terms is to always be governed by men of the Divine Council and their elected God.

    The voice of a man, to the Bible, --- is supreme and above Godís written words. That is as it should be as nature makes the ideal of all species to be one of their own. If a God cannot be or is not in our true image, then God is not worthy of us. This is the logic and reason why the rule of man over written tradition must be supreme. Anything else would be humankind giving up our natures for the nature of an alien form. God forbid.

    More directly to the question. The Bible states that we are to kill witches. This, at that time, meant that men were not to let themselves be fooled by magicians or alchemists and other tricksters who might deceive them. This meant that nothing magical or supernatural, no magician doing illusions, etc., should be put above the spoken word.

    The policy of the Divine Council was to rule by the tenet called the Golden Rule. The Rabbi class thus had the final say in all religious and political matters. The Divine Council would choose whom to anoint and follow as their Prophet/God/King.

    Does this ultimately show that God was a man to the Jews who wrote the Bible? Is that why they were so unafraid to change Gods name so often?

    Where Jews the first atheists? Closely followed by the Gnostic that had used Jewry as a springboard to their better Universalist creed? Is that why Rome hated Jews and Gnostic Christian?

    If the Jews interpreted the word God as a man, the way the old Roman emperors did, then was placing a supernatural God up in heaven a poor theological position for us today.

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    Perspective 3.
    Does as above so below mean that God must abide by manís laws?

    Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars. Caesar makes the laws we live by and no religion is true to the laws set out by their Gods. Thank God as those laws are quite barbaric. For example, both Yahweh and Allah, through the mouths of men, promote stoning for adultery and sundry other sins. This of course ignores that both Gods show justice as being close to an eye for an eye which is what secular laws try to gauge punishment by.

    There is a military term that says that the pace to be set by the troops is as fast as the slowest man. This is so that no man is left behind.

    Since we have collectively decided that secular law is superior to the laws of heaven and God, does that mean that when Jesus return, he will validate secular law and ask us to follow Caesar?

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    Why? Cause we made him UP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Why? Cause we made him UP!
    I agree. All of the Gods are human inventions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I agree. All of the Gods are human inventions.

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    Who invented humans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Who invented humans?
    Zeus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Who invented humans?
    ??

    Do you not believe in evolution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    ??

    Do you not believe in evolution?

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    Of course I do but it also doesn't contradict creation which evolution kind of skips past. Something started that first spark of life, it didn't just appear.

    You could collide atoms for the next 100 billion years and never create a life form or anything with the potential to be life.

    I tell you what though, the day science can effectively do that in a laboratory is the day I quit believing in God. There are a few groups working on it and they think they have it worked out and they admit they can create all the parts that are needed to reproduce life yet for some reason nothing happens and they can't figure that part out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Of course I do but it also doesn't contradict creation
    Of course it does. Thanks for showing how you cannot think too well.

    which evolution kind of skips past. Something started that first spark of life, it didn't just appear.
    Is your God alive? What started him?

    You could collide atoms for the next 100 billion years and never create a life form or anything with the potential to be life.

    I tell you what though, the day science can effectively do that in a laboratory is the day I quit believing in God. There are a few groups working on it and they think they have it worked out and they admit they can create all the parts that are needed to reproduce life yet for some reason nothing happens and they can't figure that part out.
    So because science has not reached a plateau that you have set, you will go into intellectual and moral dissonance and start believing in the supernatural and immoral God you have heard liars talking about.

    Shame on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    So because science has not reached a plateau that you have set, you will go into intellectual and moral dissonance and start believing in the supernatural and immoral God you have heard liars talking about.

    Shame on you.

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    No, I am actually a strong believer in science. In fact when science proves something such as evolution it means our interpretation of the Bible has been wrong.

    Its not like God doesn't use science for his creations.

    But until science can conclusively, per the scientific method, we must consider all options which means that science says the possibility of an existence of a God is still there. If you don't believe that you don't believe science.

    The only way to end this is for science to reproduce a God or for Jesus to come storming through the sky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    No, I am actually a strong believer in science. In fact when science proves something such as evolution it means our interpretation of the Bible has been wrong.

    Its not like God doesn't use science for his creations.

    But until science can conclusively, per the scientific method, we must consider all options which means that science says the possibility of an existence of a God is still there. If you don't believe that you don't believe science.

    The only way to end this is for science to reproduce a God or for Jesus to come storming through the sky.

    "Its not like God doesn't use science"

    You have nothing to back your assumption and for theists to follow demonstrably immoral Gods in the meantime, without evidence of his reality, is to go into intellectual and particularly moral dissonance.

    Theists should seek a moral God if they need one and condemn the vile and immoral Gods on offer from the mainstream religions.

    Why do you thin theists have gone moved to intellectual and particularly moral dissonance.

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