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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Those who ignore questions and just babble their usual garbage are seen by the lurkers as losing the discussion at hand.

    Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

    That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

    But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

    If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

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    I ask questions, I also have been answering questions.

    the choices is

    A. Do you want to be with Jesus for eternity

    Yes.. you go to heaven.

    No, You go to a place of separation from Jesus

    That is the choice God Gives you.

    Now God Says there are things that are Right and Wrong, Moral or Immoral..

    B, You go through life making choices of doing the Moral or Immoral things..

    (the difference is, did you say Yes or No to question A) the rest is the Dash... Born date - Day this body dies.. evertying that happens in the dash is forgiven or not according to the answer to question A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    God doesn't make it rain. The water cycle makes it rain, mostly randomly even though we can predict which parts of the globe are most likely to get more rain than others.

    God doesn't feed the poor and hungry. That's our job. If children are starving, we humans aren't doing our job very well.
    I disagree on your last comment.



    Fact is, we have pushed a full billion over the poverty line in the last 20 odd years and the demographers estimate that we will do te same in the next 20 years.

    That good work is in jeopardy at present, I think, because global climate change is happening faster than scientists predicted and that might put a wrench in the gears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    I ask questions, I also have been answering questions.

    the choices is

    A. Do you want to be with Jesus for eternity

    Yes.. you go to heaven.

    No, You go to a place of separation from Jesus

    That is the choice God Gives you.

    Now God Says there are things that are Right and Wrong, Moral or Immoral..

    B, You go through life making choices of doing the Moral or Immoral things..

    (the difference is, did you say Yes or No to question A) the rest is the Dash... Born date - Day this body dies.. evertying that happens in the dash is forgiven or not according to the answer to question A.
    It is moral to condemn a genocidal God who always seems to kill instead of taking the moral high ground and cure.

    You say you answer questions. Let us see your answer to the following one.

    Why do you follow a genocidal God and is genocide good as compared to God curing those he thinks defective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    It is moral to condemn a genocidal God who always seems to kill instead of taking the moral high ground and cure.

    You say you answer questions. Let us see your answer to the following one.

    Why do you follow a genocidal God and is genocide good as compared to God curing those he thinks defective?

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    What race has Jesus told you to go out into the world and kill (exterminate)

    be specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    What race has Jesus told you to go out into the world and kill (exterminate)

    be specific.
    That was not the question or the slant of what I put.

    Thanks again for showing that you are reluctant and unable to answer questions on your genocidal son murdering prick of a God or why you would follow such a vile and immoral God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    That was not the question or the slant of what I put.

    Thanks again for showing that you are reluctant and unable to answer questions on your genocidal son murdering prick of a God or why you would follow such a vile and immoral God.

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    No, it was a question>....

    Let me ask it again..

    What Race of people did JESUS tell you to exterminate?

    if the answer is none then I don't worship a God that promotes genocide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No, it was a question>....

    Let me ask it again..

    What Race of people did JESUS tell you to exterminate?

    if the answer is none then I don't worship a God that promotes genocide.
    Hypocritical, as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Yes.... you mocked God... so why would he reward your mockery.

    No it appears you are too busy dancing for rain, to help the starving children you want to blame God for... God Gave you money, Send food, God Gave you legs, Take Food, God Gave you abilities, go and Teach people to Grow their own food..

    It appears you are the sadist, you blame others for stuffering you allow to continue.
    So you think the 500 dollars a year that I send to the children's fund is going to really make rain and make their lives all better? I have been doing that for the last 18 years but I really wish you wouldn't compare me to God. I wonder what kind of teacher you would think I would be if I flunked a child who was an a student because she mocked me.
    So you are saying that God is basically punishing people who are suffering in droughts and earthquakes even though he can do something to prevent it.
    No I am not a sadist. If I had the ability to make rain for those living in the bush somewhere and chose not to, I would be a sadist. If I blamed the victims, I would be a vicious person. You are defending a supernatural man who chooses to put innocent babies through agony. I guess we just have Different values. By the way you seem to be blaming me for the problems of the starving, what have you done? Why aren't you there teaching them how to deal with famine? So I can could you don't care the way you make it sound like I don't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    God doesn't make it rain. The water cycle makes it rain, mostly randomly even though we can predict which parts of the globe are most likely to get more rain than others.

    God doesn't feed the poor and hungry. That's our job. If children are starving, we humans aren't doing our job very well.
    Oh I see so those poor people who have had rain for generations and were able to survive just didn't understand the rain cycle. Who created the rain cycle? I guess those poor people should just get up and get a condo somewhere.
    What about earthquakes? What about people drowning in agony in tsunami's? Shall we blame them too? I want to be like God I want to get all the credit and none of the blame

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    What race has Jesus told you to go out into the world and kill (exterminate)

    be specific.
    If human beings activate the hot spot in the Yellowstone National Park, so a super-volcano will waste the USA and the whole world, then the people who did it will sit in their hell and say it's the fault of god to make super-volcanos. What they don't like to understand is it, that we could not live in a world without such structures of power and might. It needs this whole gigantic universe for the creation of our lives and a wisp of wind is able to make an end. Some people are crazy - they know very well that Christians and Jews have nothing to do with genocides - but they say so. Some people call Jews for example "Zionazis" - the reason is to hurt them as deep as possible. What kind of people do so? The same people who like to do genocide on Jews on their own. Don't worry. Sometimes we are only able to pray for our enemies.

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