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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I don't really claim anything about Christianity other than I don't know shit about it.

    I know what I need to do according to the Bible and how it has improved my life but other than that it could mean any number of things to different people.

    It's certainly filled with lots of horror that's for sure but its all in there for a reason which most of the time I have no idea what message its supposed to be giving me.

    If you meet a Christian who is over confident and thinks they know what God is about I think you are talking to someone not very close to God at all.

    The people that know it the best are the ones that don't try to explain or justify it but let God walk them through it at His own pace.

    Like Socrates said,

    I heard Sokrates said once: "My authority as a philosopher bases on the fact, that I'm able to say what I don't know and I am also able to give an exact reason, why I am not able to know this".

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    Socrates was truly an amazing person and funny as hell.

    Especially facing death he was more interested in analyzing how stupid people were rather than dying.

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    This was written by a Christian. I found it incredibly honest an quite compelling.



    We lie when we claim we are more confident than we really are. The culture of pretending within Christianity seems almost at an epidemic level. Many of us feel the need to hide our doubts and questions. We feel compelled to act like our faith life is totally satisfying, when in fact it often feels limited, dry, cold or numb. I think we also believe that our "witness" will be less powerful if we reveal a less than "perfect" religious experience. The funny thing is that the opposite is often true. Non-Christians are often drawn to stories of an authentic and even struggling faith.

    We lie when we claim that unexplainable things are in fact explainable. God is transcendent and beyond even the shadowy wisps of imagination in our finite minds. The Trinity, for instance, is not as simple as a metaphor of water (ice, water, steam) or an egg (shell, white, yoke). Sometimes I think we would be better off if we just said, "These ideas are so beyond me that if God did reveal them to me, I am pretty sure my brain would explode."

    We lie when we don't acknowledge our doubts within the drama of faith. This is similar to number one above but just on a more detailed level. When another person challenges us with a difficult theological/philosophical issue, sometimes it is best to just admit that those questions are very challenging and even emotionally taxing on the soul (I think people like to know that our faith is so important to us that it does impact our soul-state in both encouraging and difficult ways.) Difficult questions for me include: What is the destiny of people with no access to the true and loving message of Christ's gospel? Where did evil come from? Why did God put this whole human story into motion when it has caused so much pain?

    We lie when we pretend like the Bible doesn't say some really nasty things when in fact it does. For instance, God commands genocide. He just does … at least from a clear and honest reading of the Bible. There is also a verse that says, "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks (Psalms 137:9)." If we want the Bible to be our document, we need to own the whole thing. (The same thing can be said for the atrocities in the story of the church, past and present.)

    We lie when we claim we understand other beliefs, faiths and world views. We need to stop saying things like, "I understand Islam," or, "I know what a Muslim thinks/believes." Do you want someone saying that they understand your faith experience because they once lived in a Greek Orthodox neighborhood? Do you think a Muslim would accurately understand your beliefs because they read a book about Christianity (particularly one written by Muslim scholars)? Belief systems are extremely diverse (heck, in Christianity there are hundreds of Protestant denominations alone, before we even talk about Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian, Syrian, Palestinian, just to scratch the surface). Other religions are just as diverse. Further more, faith experience can be as specific as a neighborhood, family or individual.....

    Seven Lies Christians Tell | CT Pastors

    is not just christians who lie about this.... that is true of anyone who is religious on any kind. Same lies different religion. Move along.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Socrates was truly an amazing person and funny as hell.

    Especially facing death he was more interested in analyzing how stupid people were rather than dying.

    lol
    Funny? I would say all others were much more funny. No one of them understood for example the brilliance of Xanthippe, his beloved wife. After the death of Alexander Aristotle fled from Athens to Chalcis because he did not like to give them a again the possibility to sin against philosophy (to accuse and execute him as they did once with Sokrates). Aristotle became the great teacher in philosophy and science for all Christians. Our western culture and civilization would not exist without this men, who had opposed the sophists - nevertheless the world is still today full of sophists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    is not just christians who lie about this.... that is true of anyone who is religious on any kind. Same lies different religion. Move along.....
    And what a luck that atheists are not liars ... they don't lie that they don't believe - they just simple believe they don't believe. :lol:

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    And what a luck that atheists are not liars ... they don't lie that they don't believe - they just simple believe they don't believe. :lol:
    I never implied that atheist don't lie, I was speaking very specifically about Christians. You are deflecting by claiming that you don't lie; bravo, but that does not mean that Christians always tell the truth.

    Have an open mind for once.

    ....An the fact that you believe that the author in the OP must be lying by default, speaks volumes about your blind devotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    is not just christians who lie about this.... that is true of anyone who is religious on any kind. Same lies different religion. Move along.....
    You are missing the point. The bible tells you to love your enemies. do you love your enemies.....really? I imagine that you do not love a very large amount of people, like most everyone else.

    No, pagans for example, tell different lies.

    For example: "An it harm none, do what thou wilt." Sleeping around with people outside of a committed relationship, causes immeasurable harm, but not to most pagans. Many of them became witches, because they did not want to follow rules, but "an it harm none" actually comes with an enormous responsibility to others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
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    Love does not mean agreement.

    Loving someone is hoping for the best for them in the long run...what is described in the last two sentences you quoted is affection, not love.

    There are four loves spoken of in the Bible, the english language only uses one word while the hebrew language uses four very distinct types.

    eros - erotic love

    phila - Friendship

    storge - parental

    Agape - Unconditional

    You can love someone and not particularly like them...because it is not about YOU and your feelings, it is about Him and His commands...placing that above your own personal feelings
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    You ignore the Bible's teachings......I can prove it.
    You gotta laugh when those that do not understand God or the Bible attempt to preach from it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Please do not make this thread personal, thank you.
    NOPE - A believers experience and walk IS personal. As people attempt to trash God and believers they than come out with comments about getting personal...this is as personal as anything gets. It's as if someone posted trash about your mother and then cry about responses getting personal...um...Too late, it started that way.

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