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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    This makes no sense. None. Humans were never given the same power as God almighty. Not according to scripture.
    that was satan's lie, eat the fruit and you will be as God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Have you full filled the law?
    I dispute the premise of the question. "Fulfillment" of the law is in its observance - not in its abrogation, as you would have it. The law is an eternal covenant, meaning it does not change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I dispute the premise of the question. "Fulfillment" of the law is in its observance - not in its abrogation, as you would have it. The law is an eternal covenant, meaning it does not change.
    Let me put it another way. Have you ever known anyone that kept all the laws perfectly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I dispute the premise of the question. "Fulfillment" of the law is in its observance - not in its abrogation, as you would have it. The law is an eternal covenant, meaning it does not change.
    Get back on topic, bub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Have you ever known anyone that kept all the laws perfectly?
    Irrelevant - especially in the absence of the Temple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Get back on topic, bub.
    I was responding to a direct question, which led back to a statement by another poster. If I am off-topic, then so are the others to whom I am responding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    This was written by a Christian. I found it incredibly honest an quite compelling.



    We lie when we claim we are more confident than we really are. The culture of pretending within Christianity seems almost at an epidemic level. Many of us feel the need to hide our doubts and questions. We feel compelled to act like our faith life is totally satisfying, when in fact it often feels limited, dry, cold or numb. I think we also believe that our "witness" will be less powerful if we reveal a less than "perfect" religious experience. The funny thing is that the opposite is often true. Non-Christians are often drawn to stories of an authentic and even struggling faith.

    We lie when we claim that unexplainable things are in fact explainable. God is transcendent and beyond even the shadowy wisps of imagination in our finite minds. The Trinity, for instance, is not as simple as a metaphor of water (ice, water, steam) or an egg (shell, white, yoke). Sometimes I think we would be better off if we just said, "These ideas are so beyond me that if God did reveal them to me, I am pretty sure my brain would explode."

    We lie when we don't acknowledge our doubts within the drama of faith. This is similar to number one above but just on a more detailed level. When another person challenges us with a difficult theological/philosophical issue, sometimes it is best to just admit that those questions are very challenging and even emotionally taxing on the soul (I think people like to know that our faith is so important to us that it does impact our soul-state in both encouraging and difficult ways.) Difficult questions for me include: What is the destiny of people with no access to the true and loving message of Christ's gospel? Where did evil come from? Why did God put this whole human story into motion when it has caused so much pain?

    We lie when we pretend like the Bible doesn't say some really nasty things when in fact it does. For instance, God commands genocide. He just does … at least from a clear and honest reading of the Bible. There is also a verse that says, "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks (Psalms 137:9)." If we want the Bible to be our document, we need to own the whole thing. (The same thing can be said for the atrocities in the story of the church, past and present.)

    We lie when we claim we understand other beliefs, faiths and world views. We need to stop saying things like, "I understand Islam," or, "I know what a Muslim thinks/believes." Do you want someone saying that they understand your faith experience because they once lived in a Greek Orthodox neighborhood? Do you think a Muslim would accurately understand your beliefs because they read a book about Christianity (particularly one written by Muslim scholars)? Belief systems are extremely diverse (heck, in Christianity there are hundreds of Protestant denominations alone, before we even talk about Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian, Syrian, Palestinian, just to scratch the surface). Other religions are just as diverse. Further more, faith experience can be as specific as a neighborhood, family or individual.....

    Seven Lies Christians Tell | CT Pastors
    I think the biggest lie is this person claiming to be a Christian. He is promoting a watered down Christianity. I bet you know nothing about this guy or the Anglican church

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Did not. Not could not. Big difference. The law is part of an eternal covenant, which means it does not change.
    So you believe in killing gays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you believe in killing gays?
    The Torah does not command that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The Torah does not command that.
    It is in the law in Leviticus

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