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    Seven Lies Christians Tell

    This was written by a Christian. I found it incredibly honest an quite compelling.



    We lie when we claim we are more confident than we really are. The culture of pretending within Christianity seems almost at an epidemic level. Many of us feel the need to hide our doubts and questions. We feel compelled to act like our faith life is totally satisfying, when in fact it often feels limited, dry, cold or numb. I think we also believe that our "witness" will be less powerful if we reveal a less than "perfect" religious experience. The funny thing is that the opposite is often true. Non-Christians are often drawn to stories of an authentic and even struggling faith.

    We lie when we claim that unexplainable things are in fact explainable. God is transcendent and beyond even the shadowy wisps of imagination in our finite minds. The Trinity, for instance, is not as simple as a metaphor of water (ice, water, steam) or an egg (shell, white, yoke). Sometimes I think we would be better off if we just said, "These ideas are so beyond me that if God did reveal them to me, I am pretty sure my brain would explode."

    We lie when we don't acknowledge our doubts within the drama of faith. This is similar to number one above but just on a more detailed level. When another person challenges us with a difficult theological/philosophical issue, sometimes it is best to just admit that those questions are very challenging and even emotionally taxing on the soul (I think people like to know that our faith is so important to us that it does impact our soul-state in both encouraging and difficult ways.) Difficult questions for me include: What is the destiny of people with no access to the true and loving message of Christ's gospel? Where did evil come from? Why did God put this whole human story into motion when it has caused so much pain?

    We lie when we pretend like the Bible doesn't say some really nasty things when in fact it does. For instance, God commands genocide. He just does … at least from a clear and honest reading of the Bible. There is also a verse that says, "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks (Psalms 137:9)." If we want the Bible to be our document, we need to own the whole thing. (The same thing can be said for the atrocities in the story of the church, past and present.)

    We lie when we claim we understand other beliefs, faiths and world views. We need to stop saying things like, "I understand Islam," or, "I know what a Muslim thinks/believes." Do you want someone saying that they understand your faith experience because they once lived in a Greek Orthodox neighborhood? Do you think a Muslim would accurately understand your beliefs because they read a book about Christianity (particularly one written by Muslim scholars)? Belief systems are extremely diverse (heck, in Christianity there are hundreds of Protestant denominations alone, before we even talk about Orthodox, Coptic, Armenian, Syrian, Palestinian, just to scratch the surface). Other religions are just as diverse. Further more, faith experience can be as specific as a neighborhood, family or individual.....

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    Finally, and most importantly, we lie (insidious and barbaric lying) when we pretend like we really, really, really love the other person when in fact we don't. We do not love people when we dismiss their story (including their hopes, values, beliefs and convictions). We do not love people when we do not empathically listen to them, as opposed to spending that time formulating a counter-argument. We do not love others when we reduce them to labels, caricatures, or opponents. If we love, then we will find them shockingly beautiful and fascinating creations. We will find their stories riveting. We will radiate affection. Humans know deep down when they are or are not truly loved.
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    Yes. That is the problem with Christianity, God gave a lifeline to people that don't deserve it.

    Christianity is not about me, it is about what HE did for me when I do not deserve it.

    I am Christian if I were perfect I would not need Christ.

    so yes I plead guilty to some if not all of the statements above.

    So the Lie of the OP is that the OP thinks Christians are perfect, of which if you read the Bible, ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    .... if you read the Bible, ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD..

    You ignore the Bible's teachings......I can prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    You ignore the Bible's teachings......I can prove it.
    Please do not make this thread personal, thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Yes. That is the problem with Christianity, God gave a lifeline to people that don't deserve it.

    Christianity is not about me, it is about what HE did for me when I do not deserve it.

    I am Christian if I were perfect I would not need Christ.

    so yes I plead guilty to some if not all of the statements above.

    So the Lie of the OP is that the OP thinks Christians are perfect, of which if you read the Bible, ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD..
    Thank you for this, quite courageous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    You ignore the Bible's teachings......I can prove it.
    Really which ones, Yes I have ignored the teachings of the bible in my lifetime, (that is how I fell short of the glory of God). The only problem so has everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Thank you for this, quite courageous.
    you are welcome. Christ did what he did to as a path to forgiveness, not condemnation.

    You see there are those that blame Christ for giving us a way out of hell instead of leaving the road to hell an expressway with no exits.

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    I don't really claim anything about Christianity other than I don't know shit about it.

    I know what I need to do according to the Bible and how it has improved my life but other than that it could mean any number of things to different people.

    It's certainly filled with lots of horror that's for sure but its all in there for a reason which most of the time I have no idea what message its supposed to be giving me.

    If you meet a Christian who is over confident and thinks they know what God is about I think you are talking to someone not very close to God at all.

    The people that know it the best are the ones that don't try to explain or justify it but let God walk them through it at His own pace.

    Like Socrates said,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Please do not make this thread personal, thank you.
    God calls persons. It is by the way a lie to say "we lie". But nice that you find a Christian honest, who says so. Nevertheless: I never had to hide my doubts and questions for example. Most people are not able to give good answers - that's all; And I understand the [concept of] trinity without any big problem. No "exploding brain". And it's also not necessary to know where the evil is coming from (it comes always from an unexpected direction) - it's enough to avoid to become an entry point for the evil. ... And what I read in this text is in general not confusing me. I could give him to all this questions answers. But what would he or anyone else win with this answers? Cynical: Is it not better to save the buffalos from extinction? North-America is in danger to lose the population of about 30 million bisons it had before the Europeans, Asians and Africans arrived there and called Red Indians "Red Indians". I guess some simple facts show much more drastically what not only Christians made and make wrong in the USA and the rest of the world. "We" don't care enough about what we are responsible for: God's creation and all life on planet Earth.



    PS: I doubt by the way that this "7-lie-Christian" is really a Christian. He sounds in my ears more like someone who thinks about what Christians should think about. It's for example completely clear that genocide has nothing to do with essentials of the Christian and/or Jewish religion. Jews were victims of a genocide a very short time ago in history. So it's indeed a big impertinence and antisemitic unchristian nonsense what this man said about this what he don't żlike to? understand.
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