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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    If you had read the Bible you would have known different.. The Bible said the earth was a sphere 3500-4000 years ago Isaiah 40:22. It was the Scientist that said the earth was flat.
    This is a bald faced lie. Do you not think we can google bible verses here?

    Isaiah 40:22

    He is the one who sits on the earth’s horizon; its inhabitants are like grasshoppers before him. He is the one who stretches out the sky like a thin curtain, and spreads it out like a pitched tent.
    Please point to the mention of a sphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    A myth. First of all: the world, the universe in this case, is flat. It follows the mathematics of Euclid where a triangle has 180 - even if this triangle is big: thousand of light-years for example. Think bigger and still it will be flat. Second: I found only one discussion in the early middle ages where a bishop and an abbot discussed about whether the Earth is a globe or a disk. I don't know what they found out - we found meanwhile out the Earth is like a potato. Perhaps the USA will make freedom fries out of it. It was by the way the American author Washington Irving who established this absurde idea "everyone thought the Earth is flat" in the 19th century, because he tried to justify the idiocies of the American hero Columbus.

    "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth" is by the way written in Isaiah 40, 22. "Circle" and "cube" are the same word in the Hebrew original. Astonishing, isn't it? Could it be this was the first time in history someone said: "the Earth is a cube"?

    Nevertheless you show with your own prejudice that also a gigantic mass of people is able to be wrong. But that's not a wonder: The intelligence of a mob for example is the average intelligence of the members of the mob divided by the number of the members of this mob.

    I don't think I have ever read as much stupid stuff in one single post in this forum before. You're really making yourself a reputation here.

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    Of course a billion people can be wrong. There was a time not long ago that over a billion people believed there were nine planets. All of them were wrong.

    That's the thing about reality - it exists independently of belief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Not the exact number, nobody knows how many actually believe in God or what God but many, many do and many of those now gone did.

    Were we and are we all wrong, are we looking for something, that seems like quite a need if that is so.

    Are we all so insecure that we need to invent a God to comfort us?

    Or maybe have we tapped into something that the rest of you are missing?

    If you sit in a room with your classmates and get asked a question you have a better chance of getting it right with the more voices you have that can answer rather then answering it by yourself.

    Its a simple question, can so many of us be wrong, all with different histories, different beliefs, different upbringings........yet we believe in God, whatever name you give Him.

    There are insecure people that believe in God, drug addicts, poor people, losers, rich folk, white, black, brown and yellow, those that have lived blessed lives and those that have suffered. How can we all, coming from such different backgrounds, believe in the same thing. I may be pushing a shopping cart and believe in God and that rich man in that house still believes in the same God so why is that?

    Should the poor man resent the rich man, should the rich man feel guilty about the poor man?

    Maybe, but the point remains that they still both believe in God.

    Neither fear death nor do they embrace it yet they both know where they are going when it does happen yet they are so different?

    All over the world this carries on, with no rhyme or reason and there has never, in the history of mankind, been a phenomenon like a belief in God so does that not make it unique and something worth considering?

    Can a billion of us be wrong?
    Yes a gazillionpeople can be wrong...there are millions of children who believes Santa Claus brings them toys. Can they all be wrong? Millions believe Zeus was the king of Gods, were they wrong? People cannot deal with the reality that they only go through once
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    Can a billion people be wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by zaangalewa View Post
    ... "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth" is by the way written in Isaiah 40, 22. "Circle" and "cube" are the same word in the Hebrew original. Astonishing, isn't it? Could it be this was the first time in history someone said: "the Earth is a cube"? ...
    @Ian Jeffrey - I suspect that your knowledge of Hebrew exceeds mine by a considerable margin. Could you please chime in on the boldfaced claim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    If you had read the Bible you would have known different.. The Bible said the earth was a sphere 3500-4000 years ago Isaiah 40:22. It was the Scientist that said the earth was flat.
    The passage says circle. Can you identify the correct one?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Not the exact number, nobody knows how many actually believe in God or what God but many, many do and many of those now gone did.

    Were we and are we all wrong, are we looking for something, that seems like quite a need if that is so.

    Are we all so insecure that we need to invent a God to comfort us?

    Or maybe have we tapped into something that the rest of you are missing?

    If you sit in a room with your classmates and get asked a question you have a better chance of getting it right with the more voices you have that can answer rather then answering it by yourself.

    Its a simple question, can so many of us be wrong, all with different histories, different beliefs, different upbringings........yet we believe in God, whatever name you give Him.

    There are insecure people that believe in God, drug addicts, poor people, losers, rich folk, white, black, brown and yellow, those that have lived blessed lives and those that have suffered. How can we all, coming from such different backgrounds, believe in the same thing. I may be pushing a shopping cart and believe in God and that rich man in that house still believes in the same God so why is that?

    Should the poor man resent the rich man, should the rich man feel guilty about the poor man?

    Maybe, but the point remains that they still both believe in God.

    Neither fear death nor do they embrace it yet they both know where they are going when it does happen yet they are so different?

    All over the world this carries on, with no rhyme or reason and there has never, in the history of mankind, been a phenomenon like a belief in God so does that not make it unique and something worth considering?

    Can a billion of us be wrong?
    Anything is possible. For me, I can't imagine in nothing. Atheists cannot get to the bottom line there. "Something" had to start the ball rolling. Even a "Big Bang" had to have a higher power to create it.

    Just because we cannot explain God does not mean he doesn't exist. I can't conclusively prove that the atmosphere exists, but it does.

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    Yeah. If they are not wrong, then provide proof? Provide evidence? Shit, they can't even provide a single rational reason.

    And then you have that sound theory that believe in god was an evolutionary trait in humans and human ancestors to deal with their increasing intelligence and abilities that many animals do not have.

    I think there is a reason some people will believe no matter what, and go to great extremes, and some people, like me, never believed. Even when I was going to church as a kid, I always hated it, and even then didn't believe any of it. Some people are just not hard wired to throw away all logic and reasoning to believe in something that no only has absolutely no evidence is real, but in the case of religions themselves, completely runs contradictory to reality.

    Is that what the determination factor is for who is right? Who has the most amount of believers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Not the exact number, nobody knows how many actually believe in God or what God but many, many do and many of those now gone did.
    I think you are quite wrong in saying that many believe in God. Specifically Jesus.

    Scriptures have Jesus saying that anyone who believes in him can do as he did and more.

    As you might have noted, no one ever has and that indicates that there are no true believers in Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    This is a bald faced lie. Do you not think we can google bible verses here?



    Please point to the mention of a sphere.

    Likely TNVol got that "translation" from some Southern Baptist Apologia book titled "The Bible Is Proven Science"....

    where they took Bible verses and re-defined them to comport with modern science, to try to convince people that the Bible isn't a book of myths and tall tales from the Iron Age...but a "science textbook."
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