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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    For one he is proposing new tax rates that will lower my taxes
    He is also proposing a wall, healthcare for all.....and yuuuuge tax cuts. And you believe him,

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Lets talk about Healthcare. Aetna just dropped out of ACA. What does that leave you for insurance carriers? What's your plan on carrying this program on? You are living in a dream world that insurance carriers don't share with you. Unless government takes over healthcare and we decide to fund it (which won't happen on a GOP watch) the ACA just went broke
    What is trump proposing that is. Better? Other than kicking off millions and millions of people and hurting women and children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    WE live in an age where the Supreme Court has more power then the House, The Senate and the President.
    No, we do not. That is mere fear-mongering. The Supreme Court has no more power now than it had at its inception. Read Federalist #78.

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    [The Supreme Court] can overturn laws and further a political cause.
    That has always been the case. Nothing new to see here. That a decision furthers a political cause is incidental to the meaning and requirements of the Constitution.

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    They can give a party immense power to push their agenda.
    Again, this is not new and is incidental. It has been going on for over 200 years.

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    [S]ociety has let it happen by giving judges to much power over the people, plus we have given them lifetime appointments.
    "Society has let it happen" by writing the Constitution. You are not objecting to the politicization of the federal courts, but rather to the Constitution itself and the reasons for such things as judicial power, separation of powers and lifetime appointments. (And do not forget, the salaries of federal judges cannot be decreased.) In fact, you are justifying and rationalizing a politicization of the courts.

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    They are accountable to no one, while we live in a Republic that holds its politicians accountable.
    In addition to the fact that judges are not politicians, they are indeed accountable, as they are subject to impeachment and removal by the Congress. Again, your real objection is that judges are insulted from the political process once appointed - and this was quite deliberate, so that the courts would not exist for the sole purpose of doing exactly what you want them to do: confirm the prejudices of the majority despite the Constitution. And yet the framers of the Constitution designed the judiciary to avoid exactly the end you seek, because an independent judiciary is a hallmark of liberty.

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    We are setting ourselves up for a dictatorship run by judges where the people have no say.
    No, we are not. The people cannot violate their Constitution. They can change it pursuant to the provisions of U.S. Const. art. V, but they cannot violate it. The judiciary exists precisely to declare void acts of the legislature, the executive, or even the people which violate the Constitution.

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    A president can make an executive order and a judge can stop it even if it causes a disaster.
    If that EO is illegal, then absolutely. Besides, what you call a "disaster" is only such from your particular political point of view. Not that it is judicially relevant; either a president has that authority, or he does not. If he does not, the EO needs to be voided - just like an act of Congress that violates the Constitution.

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    Judges should have terms and should be accountable. They have way more power then they should have.
    No, they should not and do not. Judges are not tools of the Congress and/or the President, but rather are supposed to be independent so that they will not have or exercise more power than their constitutional authority permits merely by virtue of having been elected. By your argument, the President should be an elected dictator, even over the Congress which has the sole power to make laws (albeit also only within the limits of the Constitution) - and that seems to be exactly what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    Do you think it would have been a different result with the judge he replaced?
    I think the tone of America is changing with Trump when it comes to religious rights. Judges should make rulings based on the Constitution. That was not always the case in the past 8 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    That's just what I mean. You were elected a man who is about as unchristian as can be. He is an adulterer he certainly is greedy .... he has always been pro choice and supported the gay movement, .....you get what you deserve
    doesn't matter to me what he was, as much as what he is now. Hillary and Obama use to be against Gays, I don't hear you speaking out about them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    You are aware that the money we gave to these companies were paid back to us with interest.
    Not quite. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/connca...llion-n1952771

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    And it will also cut services that you need. But thank you very much because I am sure I will be getting a much larger tax cut than you... but I would easily forgo it to make sure that everyone has healthcare, the roads and the infrastructure are fixed, that schools don't have to fire teachers....I guess we just have different values and priorities.
    I don't like the idea of me paying for someone else's healthcare. i know that was Obama's idea of making healthcare affordable, but it cost me more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    He is also proposing a wall, healthcare for all.....and yuuuuge tax cuts. And you believe him,
    He is sounding more like Obama and his promises of affordable healthcare. I would think you would like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    He is sounding more like Obama and his promises of affordable healthcare. I would think you would like that
    Obama never wanted a wall and trump offered worse healthcare

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    I don't like the idea of me paying for someone else's healthcare. i know that was Obama's idea of making healthcare affordable, but it cost me more
    How are you paying for someone else's healthcare? Do you also resent paying for someone's social security?

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