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    Ignore the Time Cube at your own peril!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    Anything is possible. For me, I can't imagine in nothing. Atheists cannot get to the bottom line there. "Something" had to start the ball rolling. Even a "Big Bang" had to have a higher power to create it.

    Just because we cannot explain God does not mean he doesn't exist. I can't conclusively prove that the atmosphere exists, but it does.
    We don't know the answer so we wait for science to tell us eventually. But you create an invisible man in the sky and believe in the supernatural . That is your choice. It is the same way the ancient Greeks believed there was the king of all the gods. That doesn't mean he didn't exist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    Anything is possible. For me, I can't imagine in nothing. Atheists cannot get to the bottom line there. "Something" had to start the ball rolling. Even a "Big Bang" had to have a higher power to create it.

    Just because we cannot explain God does not mean he doesn't exist. I can't conclusively prove that the atmosphere exists, but it does.
    What makes you think that the millions of disparate atheists out there all share a belief in ex nihilo creation of the universe? Quite to the contrary, that is the position of creationists within the Abrahamic religions. Many non-religious people believe that the universe itself is eternal, and that the Big Bang didn't represent a "creation moment" so much as merely a phase in the infinite cycle of the existence of the universe. Simply acknowledging that information regarding prior states of the universe couldn't have survived a singularity in no way implies that what existed prior to the Big Bang was "nothingness".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    If you had read the Bible you would have known different.. The Bible said the earth was a sphere 3500-4000 years ago Isaiah 40:22. It was the Scientist that said the earth was flat.
    The world, of course, is not a circle, as a circle is a two-dimensional object, but rather an oblate spheroid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    This is a bald faced lie. Do you not think we can google bible verses here?



    Please point to the mention of a sphere.
    Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 40 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

    "It is He Who sits above the circle of the earth, and whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heaven like a curtain, and He spread them out like a tent to dwell."

    I do not know which translation you or TNV used, but the word חוג means "circle."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Could you please chine in on the boldfaced claim?
    I would certainly like to see a[n ideologically neutral] source for that claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Ignore the Time Cube at your own peril!
    The "timecube" pages are the stuff of Internet legend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I would certainly like to see a[n ideologically neutral] source for that claim.
    I can certainly see how one could make the argument that many different words (in Hebrew or in any other language) could be employed to convey the concept of a "local space". A circle, a cube, a sphere, etc.

    That said, I don't really see how that particular bible verse could have logically been construed to have been in reference to an actual geometric "cube".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    At one point the entire population of the Earth believed it was flat, how could they be wrong?
    They learned it wasn't true.

    People still believe in God.

    People believe in the human race, always have, it the basis for every morality system in every society, does that mean we have always been wrong and should just go around killing people we don't like?

    No, it is that mutual belief shared between all different people's that makes us what we are.

    Is not the belief in a God, which has been unchanging, the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 40 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

    "It is He Who sits above the circle of the earth, and whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heaven like a curtain, and He spread them out like a tent to dwell."

    I do not know which translation you or TNV used, but the word חוג means "circle."
    I just used the one the came up first on Google when I typed in the verse number mentioned. I've never seen any ancient mentions of a spherical earth back then outside of the ancient Greeks. "Circle" would seem to indicate they thought it was a flat disk, the edge of which is the horizon.
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