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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    They learned it wasn't true.

    People still believe in God.

    People believe in the human race, always have, it the basis for every morality system in every society, does that mean we have always been wrong and should just go around killing people we don't like?

    No, it is that mutual belief shared between all different people's that makes us what we are.

    Is not the belief in a God, which has been unchanging, the same thing?
    You don't think religious people's view of what God is has changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    You don't think religious people's view of what God is has changed?
    Most certainly, and also what God they believe in, what name they give it, and other specifics have changed many times.

    Yet the overall belief in a higher being, a creator, is still there and people feel a connection to it. So many in fact that if we were to discount that it seems like a gross oversight in my opinion.

    How can so many people over so many centuries experience the same thing and all of them be wrong?

    It would have to be some mass psychosis that affects the human species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Not the exact number, nobody knows how many actually believe in God or what God but many, many do and many of those now gone did.

    Were we and are we all wrong, are we looking for something, that seems like quite a need if that is so.

    Are we all so insecure that we need to invent a God to comfort us?

    Or maybe have we tapped into something that the rest of you are missing?

    If you sit in a room with your classmates and get asked a question you have a better chance of getting it right with the more voices you have that can answer rather then answering it by yourself.

    Its a simple question, can so many of us be wrong, all with different histories, different beliefs, different upbringings........yet we believe in God, whatever name you give Him.

    There are insecure people that believe in God, drug addicts, poor people, losers, rich folk, white, black, brown and yellow, those that have lived blessed lives and those that have suffered. How can we all, coming from such different backgrounds, believe in the same thing. I may be pushing a shopping cart and believe in God and that rich man in that house still believes in the same God so why is that?

    Should the poor man resent the rich man, should the rich man feel guilty about the poor man?

    Maybe, but the point remains that they still both believe in God.

    Neither fear death nor do they embrace it yet they both know where they are going when it does happen yet they are so different?

    All over the world this carries on, with no rhyme or reason and there has never, in the history of mankind, been a phenomenon like a belief in God so does that not make it unique and something worth considering?

    Can a billion of us be wrong?
    Christianity is a deeply divided religion. Even church members are often at odds with one another, to the point where new churches regularly arise out of some conflict with an existing church.

    My guess is that EVERYONE is wrong about one of their own deeply held convictions or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    If you had read the Bible you would have known different.. The Bible said the earth was a sphere 3500-4000 years ago Isaiah 40:22. It was the Scientist that said the earth was flat.
    Many disagree.

    The Circle of the Earth: Translation and Meaning in Isaiah 40:22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Most certainly, and also what God they believe in, what name they give it, and other specifics have changed many times.

    Yet the overall belief in a higher being, a creator, is still there and people feel a connection to it. So many in fact that if we were to discount that it seems like a gross oversight in my opinion.

    How can so many people over so many centuries experience the same thing and all of them be wrong?

    It would have to be some mass psychosis that affects the human species.
    That's precisely the point with all of humanity believing until about the 1600s—all the way back to prehistoric times—that the Sun revolved around the Earth. They never really questioned it, because it seemed like that must be the way it is. It just made sense to them, but was completely wrong. What they thought they were seeing was actually something different than it appeared to be.

    Are you saying that everyone was suffering from mass psychosis until Copernicus came along?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I don't really see how that particular bible verse could have logically been construed to have been in reference to an actual geometric "cube".
    It cannot. The verse was not making a scientific statement of any kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    I just used the one the came up first on Google when I typed in the verse number mentioned. I've never seen any ancient mentions of a spherical earth back then outside of the ancient Greeks. "Circle" would seem to indicate they thought it was a flat disk, the edge of which is the horizon.
    The verse was not making a scientific statement. We still, after all, speak of "the four corners of the world" even though the world is an oblate spheroid without corners. It is an idiom, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The verse was not making a scientific statement. We still, after all, speak of "the four corners of the world" even though the world is an oblate spheroid without corners. It is an idiom, nothing more.
    I understand that, but had the authors known of (perhaps they did know, but didn't believe) the things their Greek neighbors like Pythagoras were writing about and incorporated them, they would have at some point—maybe not here—but somewhere mentioned that the earth was spherical. They wouldn't have to be making a scientific statement to say something that acknowledges the shape of the Earth. Did they?
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    We can't all be wrong.

    All different races, social status, gay, straight, tall, short, evil, good, man woman, child adult.....

    How does a group of people with no experience with others, a tribe on a lone island, worship a god that is basically the same as all the other major gods out there?

    How?

    It doesn't matter what name they have given Him, it matters that he is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    I just used the one the came up first on Google when I typed in the verse number mentioned. I've never seen any ancient mentions of a spherical earth back then outside of the ancient Greeks. "Circle" would seem to indicate they thought it was a flat disk, the edge of which is the horizon.
    The Bible also refers several times to the four corners of the Earth. While the original Hebrew word for "corners" could also refer more generally to "extremities", there are no such extremities within the perimeter of a circle.
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