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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Benji,

    Interesting question. Just like, when you invite a vegetarian or vegan to your house for dinner, you're expected to provide vegetarian or vegan options, but strange, they likely wouldn't provide meat options if they invite you to their house for dinner.
    All our meals are meat, potatoes and vegetable. I don't actually know any vegetarians, but if they didn't have meat, we could still eat vegetables and potatoes, right? And they could just ignore the meat at our dinner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I saw this on a friend's page and my question is for both sides. What do you do during grace if you are an atheist? If you are a Christian, what do you expect of the atheist during prayer?



    As a Christian in my home, I would expect them to at least do whatever we are doing, whether it be bowing head and closing eyes, holding hands, whatever. Of course, with my eyes closed, how would I know what they are doing?

    If I were in an atheist's home I would honor their just digging in, but in my mind I would still say grace. No eyes closed or head bowed, this is between God and I.


    I'm not an atheist but rather an agnostic. I have friends and family that are religious. If I am in their home I follow their customs out of respect. I don't mind praying as I see it as a ritual much like other rituals. I have studied many religions and they all have rituals to make members feel a part of a group. I have come to believe it is more important to live your life and along the way help people as much as you can, when ever you can, where ever you can and in what ever way you can. I find it odd to believe that if there is a God he would reject you if there is a heaven because you did not attend church or pray. I believe those things are rituals to make you feel a part of a group. Nothing wrong with it if you feel that it helps you or gives you comfort in some way but it I don't find doing it or not doing it has any purpose beyond that. If there is a God, and he isn't Ok with me because I don't pray or go to church or do something else in terms of rituals, then maybe I don't want to go to heaven in that case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    All our meals are meat, potatoes and vegetable. I don't actually know any vegetarians, but if they didn't have meat, we could still eat vegetables and potatoes, right? And they could just ignore the meat at our dinner?
    Ms. Benji,

    I know quite a few vegetarians, and don't mind cooking for them. While I could never give up meat, there are plenty of vegetarian dishes I quite enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    Have you been to St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York? It is absolutely breathtaking.
    Indeed... And check out this piece of history. This is a cropped photo that I took at Sacré-Coeur last summer. The building in the background is Sacré-Coeur itself.



    Barring the graffiti, it's a street sign proclaiming that the street is named for "Chevalier de la Barre." Chevalier is French for "Knight." Look below the name, and you'll see the words "LIBRE PENSEUR." That's French for "Freethinker."

    François-Jean de la Barre was an 18th century French nobleman who was executed (and possibly tortured, accounts vary) for not saluting a Roman Catholic religious procession. He is widely regarded a symbol of the victims of Christian religious intolerance.

    And a street adjacent to the most prominently visible Roman-Catholic Church in France was named for him.

    Update: Same shot via Google Street View.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Benji,

    Interesting question. Just like, when you invite a vegetarian or vegan to your house for dinner, you're expected to provide vegetarian or vegan options, but strange, they likely wouldn't provide meat options if they invite you to their house for dinner.

    Some vegetarians don't eat meat not because they don't like the taste but it is against their moral and or religious beliefs. I doubt there is anyone out there that is a meat eater that has a moral or religious belief not to eat vegetables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Really? I go to churches, cathedrals, temples, synagogues, etc. all the time while travelling. Never during services, of course. And when people are praying during off-hours, I steer clear of those people while admiring the architecture and artwork. You're doing yourself a disservice if you go to Paris, and skip Sacré-Coeur. The Wikipedia photo (in the link) doesn't begin to do it justice.
    Oh I've been TO Sacre-Coeur 10 times plus.. amazing view over the city of Paris, the Montmartre is one of my favorite places in Paris.

    But, have been TO Sacre-Coeur, not IN Sacre-Coeur. (Same for St. Patrick's).

    As I said, while I know that it's a miss - culturally - it's out of respect.. it doesn't feel right to on the side speak and argue against the idea of the omnipotent god that is worshipped in churches, but then to awe and embrace the architecture and beauty, as a tourist.
    To me it is.
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    I would condemn you to an eternity of fire. A pox on you. God will not be insulted.

    Amen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I saw this on a friend's page and my question is for both sides. What do you do during grace if you are an atheist? If you are a Christian, what do you expect of the atheist during prayer?



    As a Christian in my home, I would expect them to at least do whatever we are doing, whether it be bowing head and closing eyes, holding hands, whatever. Of course, with my eyes closed, how would I know what they are doing?

    If I were in an atheist's home I would honor their just digging in, but in my mind I would still say grace. No eyes closed or head bowed, this is between God and I.



    common courtesy
    proper etiquette
    well groomed and refined manners

    all three require that you respect others religious practices while in company. There is no requirement to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Benji,

    Interesting question. Just like, when you invite a vegetarian or vegan to your house for dinner, you're expected to provide vegetarian or vegan options, but strange, they likely wouldn't provide meat options if they invite you to their house for dinner.
    i know... which always amazed me.

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    I'm an oddball. Holding hands with near-strangers would be a panic attack-inducing thing for me. I'd be happy to sit quietly, but I would resent it if I had not been warned to expect this awkward moment.

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