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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Being a None is a fairy tale to me.
    Of course it is. Because you are not capable of distinguishing between objectively demonstrable fact, and personal, subjective fantasy.

    Witness here, ladies, and gentlemen, the last, desperate, feeble gasps of theism dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Every time I think ignorant religious people's influence is waning, they do something horrible like vote for Trump or Dubya. All they have to do is make a sickeningly transparent phony service to the religious people and they all climb aboard as if no politician would ever pretend to be religious for political gain. They NEVER question it. So stupid.
    Have you ever known a Atheist President that was elected to office? It would be political suicide in a country with 75% of the vote being Christians

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Have you ever known a Atheist President that was elected to office? It would be political suicide in a country with 75% of the vote being Christians
    That would be more truthful if you had said that 75% of voters claim to be Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Of course it is. Because you are not capable of distinguishing between objectively demonstrable fact, and personal, subjective fantasy.

    Witness here, ladies, and gentlemen, the last, desperate, feeble gasps of theism dying.
    What has happened in my lifetime as far as my faith is absolute proof to me there is a God. Healing my ruptured disc was one of the big faith builders to me. Numerous incidents was further proof to me. Healthy business, Owned my own home that would not have been possible without Gods blessings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    That would be more truthful if you had said that 75% of voters claim to be Christians.
    Hillary lost the election because the Christian voters turned out and voted for Trump. None of the News Networks saw this coming, but I knew when she called religious people "Deplorables" , that brought them out in massive numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    What has happened in my lifetime as far as my faith is absolute proof to me there is a God. Healing my ruptured disc was one of the big faith builders to me. Numerous incidents was further proof to me. Healthy business, Owned my own home that would not have been possible without Gods blessings.
    As I said incapable of distinguishing between personal, subjective opinion, and objective, demonstrable fact. I'm quite certain that the doctor who performed the surgery on your ruptured disc appreciates your giving God the credit for what he did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Nancy Pelosi is a devout Catholic mother of five. Obama is a christian. When was the last time you questioned either of them?
    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Um...you probably should have read the article: "It's not surprising that, given the promise of an abundant and joyful afterlife, very religious people were among the groups found to be the least fearful of death in a series of studies led by researchers at Britain’s University of Oxford, published Friday."

    That's kinda exactly what I said. In order to stave out their irrational fear of death, the religious wrap themselves in these nice, warm and fuzzy fairy tales of all the wonderful things that "await them on the other side". Rationalists don't need the fairy tales to not fear death.
    My point was "neither" atheists nor the very religious fear death. Your point seems to be atheism is somehow superior to "an unnamed religion that has an afterlife." You do realize atheism is a religion, right.

    As far as I'm concerned you just prefer your religion over all others. That's been done to death man.

    https://thinkprogress.org/atheists-s...t-153aec1662a6
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    My point was "neither" atheists nor the very religious fear death. Your point seems to be atheism is somehow superior to "an unnamed religion that has an afterlife." You do realize atheism is a religion, right.

    As far as I'm concerned you just prefer your religion over all others. That's been done to death man.

    https://thinkprogress.org/atheists-s...t-153aec1662a6
    No. My point is that atheists do not require "happily ever after" fairy tales in order to not fear death. And atheism is religion rather like bald is a hairstyle, clear is a colour or not collecting stamps is a hobby.

    And, again, that article is a misrepresentation of the court case. It's not that humanism is considered a religion, it's that humanism is afforded the same Constitutional protections that religions receive. It's an important distinction. Furthermore, atheism, and humanism are not interchangeable. Just as while all Methodists are Christians, not all Christians are Methodists, in the same way, while all Humanists are Atheists, not all Atheists are Humanists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    According to a new, massive study, American youth are moving away from religion:
    Recent cohorts of American adolescents are less religiously oriented than their predecessors, although the majority are still involved with religion (see Table 1). First, American adolescents are now less likely to attend religious services. Twice as many 12th graders in 2010–13 reported “never” attending services (21%) compared to 1976–79 (10%). Compared to the early 1970s (12%), more than twice as many college students in the 2010s never attended services (27%). Similar, though smaller, declines (23% and 43%) appear among 8th and 10th graders between the early 1990s and the 2010s. Across all groups, the shift is most pronounced after 2000 as Millennials enter the samples, with the number not attending services increasing 50% for 12th graders (from 14% to 21%), 33% for 10th graders (15% to 20%), and 31% for 8th graders (13% to 17%) between 2000 and 2013. The percentage attending services weekly has also declined steadily; while 40% of 12th graders did so in 1976–79, only 30% did in 2010–13 (see Table 1 and Fig 1). For 10th and 12th graders, almost all of the decline in religious service attendance (d’s = -.13 and-.14) occurred between 2000 and 2013.​

    And, just in case anyone one wants to suggest that all this indicates is that young people are less disciplined than older Americans; that they just don't attend services, while still being just as religious as their parents - then the study also discovered this:

    More than twice as many recent 12th graders chose “none” for their religious affiliation compared to the 1960s and 1970s, though the majority still choose a religious affiliation (see Fig 2). Thirty-eight percent more 8th graders and 53% more 10th graders chose “none” as their religious preference in 2010–13 compared to 1991–94. The increase in religious “nones” was especially steep over the last decade. Between 2000 and 2010–13, 31% more 8th graders (13% compared to 17%) professed no religious affiliation, as did 43% more 10th graders (14% to 20%) and 50% more 12th graders (16% to 24%). Three times as many college students in the 2010s (vs. the late 1960s) reported no religious affiliation, though the majority are still affiliated. In just the 13 years between 2000 and 2013, 87% more college students chose no religious affiliation (15% vs. 28%). Compared to the early 1970s, four times as many reported that their mother had no religious affiliation, and more than twice as many reported that their father had no religious affiliation. The gap between students’ affiliation and parents’ affiliation has grown (see Table 1); this suggests both that more students grew up without religion and that more are abandoning their parents’ religion by college entry.

    Notice the part I emphasised. So, the proverbial verdict is in: As the older generation dies, religion, and myth is being replaced with logic, and reason. I expect it won't be long before the theists come rushing in to explain how the study doesn't really mean what it means. Either that, or they'll just ignore this OP all together, and hope that no one notices it.
    Our young Pastor said that the Church is no longer the center. There is no getting away from it. I really understand why. So much Religion has been subverted by the money changers. Much has changed for the bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Hillary lost the election because the Christian voters turned out and voted for Trump. None of the News Networks saw this coming, but I knew when she called religious people "Deplorables" , that brought them out in massive numbers.
    Hillary did not call Religious people deplorable. She called those supporting Trump,who is against everything Religion is supposed to stand for deplorable.and they are,if they can stretch Christianity beliefs into supporting an immoral,lying crook as Religious.

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