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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    What I still want to know is where Noah found the kangaroos, duckbilled platypuses, and wooly mammoths.
    They "swam...across the Indian Ocean until they hit Indo-china....then walked across the entire Asian continent until they got to Mesopotamia."


    ((There is no logical quesiton you can ask about the Ark Story....that the Creationist won't have some batshit crazy excuse....even if it contradicts the animal's biology, shipwright logistics, or just normal logic.


    It's about keeping the Bible "intact"....because if they admit Noah was a fable or myth or even extreme exaggeration?....the Old Testament collapses....and then the New close behind.))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    Why would he need them? The flood was not worldwide.
    The Bible says it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    The Bible says it was.
    Variations of a worldwide flood can be found in English translations of the Bible. In Hebrew, the flood was regional.

    The interesting thing about English language Bibles is that the authors of the King James Bible includes an eight thousand word preface that states how hard it is to translate the Bible into English and to not use the English translation for dogma.
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    This was about the same time as the Seven Labors of Hercules....those Bronze Age people had great imaginations....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    Variations of a worldwide flood can be found in English translations of the Bible. In Hebrew, the flood was regional.

    The interesting thing about English language Bibles is that the authors of the King James Bible includes an eight thousand word preface that states how hard it is to translate the Bible into English and to not use the English translation for dogma.
    And yet many American Christians think the King James Bible is the be-all-and-end-all of Biblical reference, just because it sounds cooler (or older, or something).

    Unfortunately, unless we are fluent in Hebrew and Coine Greek, it's impossible to have a discussion of this issue. I mean...I could ask you to show that "in Hebrew, the flood was regional" but neither of us (I suspect) could understand the evidence for that argument.

    Tell me, since ancient peoples didn't know anything about the globe as a whole, how could the writer of Genesis one tell the difference between "regional" and "worldwide?"

    In every discussion of this kind, I find that traditionalists and particularly literalists are forced into either 1) arguments that are based on evidence we can't effectively examine, or 2) vagaries of ambiguity that are supported by no outside evidence and don't even appear internally consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    This was about the same time as the Seven Labors of Hercules....those Bronze Age people had great imaginations....
    Ever read the Ramayana or the Mahabharata? The voice and overall narrative effect are remarkably similar to Old Testament "history" narratives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Ever read the Ramayana or the Mahabharata? The voice and overall narrative effect are remarkably similar to Old Testament "history" narratives.
    There's a TV serialisation of the Mahabarata. 200 or 300 episodes! Late night filler, with subtitles. For a while, a long time ago now, I would come in from the pub and watch it. That Arjuna was a busy little archer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    Why would he need them? The flood was not worldwide.
    OMFSM, are you saying the bible is wrong!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    They "swam...across the Indian Ocean until they hit Indo-china....then walked across the entire Asian continent until they got to Mesopotamia."


    ((There is no logical quesiton you can ask about the Ark Story....that the Creationist won't have some batshit crazy excuse....even if it contradicts the animal's biology, shipwright logistics, or just normal logic.


    It's about keeping the Bible "intact"....because if they admit Noah was a fable or myth or even extreme exaggeration?....the Old Testament collapses....and then the New close behind.))
    More and more rational Christians, by my definition are saying the OT is basically a collection of boogieman stories and is to be sort of laughed at. But Christ's teachings and following Christ's teachings are what makes a Christian.

    I'm sure most televangelists would put a curse on them for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    Variations of a worldwide flood can be found in English translations of the Bible. In Hebrew, the flood was regional.

    The interesting thing about English language Bibles is that the authors of the King James Bible includes an eight thousand word preface that states how hard it is to translate the Bible into English and to not use the English translation for dogma.
    I have challenged apologists on this for many years and not one has been able to answer. The last time I checked, there were like 60 translations of the bible into English. And it is well over 10 that claim to have gone back to the original texts in Hebrew and Aramaic. And all were supposedly by learned Christian scholars.

    So why did they all get it wrong and you got it right?

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