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    Eternity in Heaven...

    So, I reluctantly logged on Facebook to wish an extended family member happy birthday (those annoying notifications pop in whether logged on or not, so I can't escape the feeling of guilt for forgetting birthdays. Thanks, Zuckerberg. asshole) and was briefly sucked into 'the scroll'. Anyway, someone I don't know (my page is full of people I don't know) had lost a family member and posted a heartfelt memorial, and of course their circle were extending condolences. Standard fare, including the comforting reminder that "we'll be with them again forever in Heaven"

    which got my quirky brain to thinking...

    What do people who suffered physical, psychological or sexual abuse at the hands of deceased family members do when they die and go to heaven? Are the abused and abusers forced to awkwardly endure each other's presence....for eternity?

    It's my understanding that the abusers can toss the 'Get Out Of Hell Free' card by repenting their sins, so I can only presume those who do will be granted access.
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    Presumably people that go to heaven don't get in without forgiveness in their hearts, but those that stay around may have some hellfull vengeance in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    So, I reluctantly logged on Facebook to wish an extended family member happy birthday (those annoying notifications pop in whether logged on or not, so I can't escape the feeling of guilt for forgetting birthdays. Thanks, Zuckerberg. asshole) and was briefly sucked into to 'the scroll'. Anyway, someone I don't know (my page is full of people I don't know) had lost a family member and posted a heartfelt memorial, and of course their circle were extending their condolences. Standard fare, including the comforting reminder that "we'll be with them again forever in Heaven"

    which got my quirky brain to thinking...

    What do people who suffered physical, psychological or sexual abuse at the hands of deceased family members do when they die and go to heaven? Are the abused and abusers forced to awkwardly endure each other's presence....for eternity?

    It's my understanding that the abusers can toss the 'Get Out Of Hell Free' card by repenting their sins, so I can only presume those who do will be granted access.
    If you make it to Heaven you have to forgive all those that trespassed against you. There are no sins or sinners in heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    What do people who suffered physical, psychological or sexual abuse at the hands of deceased family members do when they die and go to heaven? Are the abused and abusers forced to awkwardly endure each other's presence....for eternity?
    Ever read The Great Divorce?" It speaks in dramatic fashion to this very question. C. S. Lewis suggests that everyone starts in hell (a place not of terrible suffering but dreary, unfulfilling eternal existence--a place where it's "always dusk but never dawn"). Everyone can travel then to heaven if they like. When they get there, they are insubstantial--everything in heaven seems sharp and hard--even the grass. As they stay longer, they get more solid. But they are also greeted by their previously-departed friends and family. Everyone--but EVERYONE--has problems with what happened between them on earth. Some decide to stay and look past their earthly differences, but many--maybe most--are just too hurt, too bruised, too angry to forgive. And those folks volunteer to return to hell.

    Isn't forgiveness central to the message and substance of Christianity? Isn't forgiving others--no matter their crimes against you--the point? And isn't that forgiveness essential not to the offender, but to the one doing the forgiving?
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    I figure your time in heaven isn't eternity, it just seems like it. What will you do, play your harp till you are so bored you off yourself?

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    Perhaps I missed something in this heaven or hell bargain. What exactly goes to these places once we die? There is no evidence of a soul, no sign of retained memories or intelligence or consciousness after death so isn't this just a timeless desire by living humans to survive death? Almost every primitive society that ever existed believed in some form of afterlife, that does not make it so.
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