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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    The rooms would have never happened if it weren't for the Muslims requesting it. Looks like they are the only ones using them, so it looks like the government is backing the Muslim religion in this instance.
    Do you have any examples where christian groups were prevented from renting or using a school facility for prayer services that weren't interfering with the operation of the school or wasn't being forced on others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Do you have any examples where christian groups were prevented from renting or using a school facility for prayer services that weren't interfering with the operation of the school or wasn't being forced on others?
    See...aboutenough thinks that if Christians aren't ACTUALLY USING THE FACILITY, then de facto Muslims are using it to the exclusion of others and the state is favoring them.

    On the other hand, if a Christian prayer is said after a football game or a coach or at a graduation and no other religion's rituals are observed, that's NOT de facto government support of Christianity. This isn't a double standard because...well, his brain doesn't consider any notion outside the interests of Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    The rooms would have never happened if it weren't for the Muslims requesting it. Looks like they are the only ones using them, so it looks like the government is backing the Muslim religion in this instance.
    Regardless of who chooses to use them, they're available to everyone, regardless of their religion (or lack thereof). They are not catering to any particular religion, and of atheists want to reserve the room for an evening to discuss secularism, they are free to do so. Therefore, the university is in the clear; no harm, no foul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    So you can ask the question, but you can't go find the answer? If you stop looking for answers when you can just conclude what you want instead, that's the opposite of clear, rational thinking.
    The troll back there makes the same Texas Sharpshooter fallacies until the bloody end of time. He just grabs random sets of decontextualized data and paralogizes from it.

    He has a pertinacious hatred of clear, rational thinking. He is afraid he will think he's "smarter than God" if he learned to think for himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Not legally relevant, so long as the existing policy conforms to the law.


    Your conclusion does not follow from the stated premise. Anyone can use the rooms, so the government is not backing any religion, or even any particular non-religious group.
    It was initiated by the school for Muslims because they are required to pray so many times a day (5 I believe). They said anyone else could use the rooms for prayers, but no one has. The FFRF goes easy on Muslims because they side with them on their opinions of Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Huh? Because Muslims were the only ones asking, that's favoring one group over another? It's the rules that matter--the outcome is determined by the interests of local parties from all religions. Do you suppose the Christians didn't know that they could meet on campus? That might be a kind of discrimination, if the information were withheld from them somehow.
    Do you know how many times Christian groups have been shut down by the FFRF for activities a lot less then this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    Do you know how many times Christian groups have been shut down by the FFRF for activities a lot less then this?
    There was no need to shut them down. The university changed the rules such that they were no longer in violation. The FFRF addresses legal violations. If there is no violation, it's not on the FFRF's radar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    A Jewish science? I am a hard scientist who spent most of his working life with engineers. All of us mocked social scientists, mostly jokingly, but I have never heard the term "Jewish science".
    Shockingly, and pardon me for proving Godwin's Law, I HAVE heard the words "Jew Science" before.

    It was used by 20th century fascists (and also just average joes) to dismiss anything that didn't confirm their eugenics theories of aryan genetic supremacy.

    NOT a very good idea for a university to try to justify. Not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    There was no need to shut them down. The university changed the rules such that they were no longer in violation. The FFRF addresses legal violations. If there is no violation, it's not on the FFRF's radar.
    Especially if it concerns Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    This question has come up on several occasions. Sometimes it's worded "Why does the Freedom From Religion Foundation only target Christians?"

    Part of the answer is that the combined Muslims, Jews, and Hindus represent only 3.5% of the U.S. population, compared with Christians at 70.6%. You might as well ask why so few green-eyed people get promoted; there just aren't as many of them. The other half is that the overwhelming Christian majority emboldens many to engage in behaviors that are potential legal violations.

    But the FFRF has an answer written by a FRFF staff attorney member wholly qualified to provide a comprehensive statement.

    Excerpt:



    Read the whole thing here.
    That is simple it is safer to oppose people that "Turn the other Cheek"

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