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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    The dead do not rise. If you think they do, it shows how your thinking has been corrupted by your beliefs.

    If you think Jesus is alive, give me an E mail address. I have a bone about his wanting me to do an immoral thing to be saved.

    Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

    Do you agree?

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    I made significant edits as additions to my post since you quoted it. I didn't know you were responding "live".

    I am afraid that the body of Jesus Christ is, indeed, quite dead. And not taking emails. And I've never been much of a believer in prayer, though I admit I have tried talking to God when nearing moments of sexual satisfaction. I find that that's the time talking to God is most useful.

    All I can do is tell you that if a good, honest person made a list of things that, if followed, would make a person gracious, kind, productive, spiritually healthy, and have good relations with others - then make a list of the teachings of Jesus. It would be the same list.


    You're looking at churches and thinking that's God.

    That's not going to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    jesus is alive and well..... i told you, he cooks me dinner often. Ive never asked him if he has an email address or not...i assume he does.
    The wrong Jesus that.

    The Jesus I refer to eats his fish raw.

    Him and his dad have a thing about fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    The wrong Jesus that.

    The Jesus I refer to eats his fish raw.

    Him and his dad have a thing about fire.

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    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    I made significant edits as additions to my post since you quoted it. I didn't know you were responding "live".

    I am afraid that the body of Jesus Christ is, indeed, quite dead. And not taking emails. And I've never been much of a believer in prayer, though I admit I have tried talking to God when nearing moments of sexual satisfaction. I find that that's the time talking to God is most useful.

    All I can do is tell you that if a good, honest person made a list of things that, if followed, would make a person gracious, kind, productive, spiritually healthy, and have good relations with others - then make a list of the teachings of Jesus. It would be the same list.


    You're looking at churches and thinking that's God.

    That's not going to make sense.
    We would have to revise what Jesus is said to have said quite a bit to end with the list and benefits you describe.

    I see more than one Jesus in scriptures. I do not mind the esoteric ecumenist that says this type of thing as he wants to free us from dogmatic immoral religions.

    Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    I do not like the morals of the Rome created Jesus due to his poor morals.

    For instance, he does not believe people should divorce and that would force people to live in loveless or abusive situations, especially women. I also dislike his wanting us to accept substitutionary punishment where we have to accept the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty.

    There are a lot more things I do not like from that Jesus for moral reasons.

    I hope those two issues are not on the list you would make.

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    Vocal American evangelicals are Christian
    Vocal American evangelicals are ****s
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    Therefore Christians are ****s


    This is flawed logic. It's deeply unfair to the vast majority of people being slandered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Vocal American evangelicals are Christian
    Vocal American evangelicals are ****s
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    Therefore Christians are ****s


    This is flawed logic. It's deeply unfair to the vast majority of people being slandered.
    I cannot judge ************s without knowing what *******s is.

    But I suspect it might pass.

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    Divorce?

    Jesus says that anyone who divorces, except because of immorality, is commitong adultery.

    And that's where all the nimrods start fussing and giving themselves instant lobotomies.

    I would ask you this.

    What did Jesus say should be done to sinners? And adulterers?


    Answer that, then, look again at the first part.

    The first part is a license to be evil for the American Taliban, and a license to hate Christians for many others. But if the way to treat sinners is to show compassion, understand the causes, forgive wholeheartedly, welcome them with love and acceptance..., then what does that thing about divorce mean?

    People just assume the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I cannot judge ************s without knowing what *******s is.

    But I suspect it might pass.

    Regards
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    Four letter word, ends in unt, and isn't "aunt".

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    The overwhelming, incessantly repeated, message of Christ is "judge not least thee be judged" "love thy neighbor as you love yourself" "take care of the plank in your own eye, before pointing one out in others", "he who is without sin cast the first stone". Again and again and again. That same message. Ad nauseum. And the punishment he says that comes from sin is being disassociated to the grace of God. You lose that sense of grace. That's what comes from sin - you feel separate from joy. THAT is Jesus' message. When you're bad, it makes you feel bad. When you're good, you feel good. Again and again and again he says it.

    Then on some random bible page he says something trivial like "the fork should go on the left of the napkin" and 10 million religious nuts say "ah -ha - Jesus wants me to punish and humiliate people who break the fork rule. Shame on the wicked. Kick them out. Shin them". And then 20 million haters say "I'm not interested in your fork rules, man. That shit is silly. I'm not going to shame those poor people. This Jesus guy is a fascist".

    All of them purposefully or blindly ignoring 99.9% of the message, and hyperventilating over a stupid footnote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit are the same being. It's called "The Trinity". You can make fun of it, but we should know what we're talking about. No Christian doctrine believes Christ was mortal and died.

    If they did they'd be Jewish :-)
    In fact, the Jesus of the Bible was Jewish, and if He didn't die, then He couldn't have served as a blood sacrifice. There are two significant logical conundrums associated with the Christian crucifixion myth.

    1. God or not -- if Jesus was without sin, then He was immortal. Full stop. Immortal. AKA: Incapable of dying. For the wages of sin is death. Death was inherited by mankind from the Garden of Eden. Prior to the commission of that original sin, all humans were immortal, just like God himself.

    2. If Jesus did die on the cross, then He was not God, because we know that God is immortal.

    That said, all religions are built upon woo, and woo, by it's very nature, doesn't adhere to the normal rules of logic.

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