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    Okay, I've hunted down the quote and the context. He's saying that to be a Christian you have to belong to a faith community and it's not a solo enterprise. Catholics believe that the church is the body of Christ. He didn't say that you couldn't have a close personal relationship with Jesus. He said you need a faith community to have a personal relationship with Jesus. This is not surprising since the Church has never encouraged people to go it alone in their spiritual quest. I grew up in the Church and was NEVER encouraged to have my own Bible and read it for myself. I tend to agree, especially for children. The concepts in the Bible are complex and so subject to interpretation that it would mean different things to different people. Plus, the Church has its own interpretation and if you are to be an adherent of that particular religion then you have to accept the Church's interpretation.

    Now, I can see how other people of other religions could take that as an insult, but that's not what he intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    This story doesn't pass the smell test.
    The Pope does make statements but basically it amounts to the church is the rock of faith. The argument is centuries old. The church argues that people need the church to anchor their faith in Christ yada yada yada.

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    If the various religious sects all agreed with one another, then there would be no religious sects.

    If you don't like the tenets of the Roman Catholic sect of Christianity, then don't become a Catholic.

    Religion is, in some ways, like a television set. If you don't like the program, then change the channel.
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    I have to question an article when all the links within it point to other articles from the same site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    If the various religious sects all agreed with one another, then there would be no religious sects.

    If you don't like the tenets of the Roman Catholic sect of Christianity, then don't become a Catholic.

    Religion is, in some ways, like a television set. If you don't like the program, then change the channel.
    It's the same argument since Martin Luther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I have to question an article when all the links within it point to other articles from the same site.
    https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/fran...ents-pope-says

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    The Pope does make statements but basically it amounts to the church is the rock of faith. The argument is centuries old. The church argues that people need the church to anchor their faith in Christ yada yada yada.
    The Roman Catholic Church believes that they are the only true Christian Church and that there is no means to salvation but through them as an intermediary to God. Hell, this isn't news. It's been official church doctrine going back to the founding of the Church in 380 AD.
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    Don't read the article, just watch the video and then make up your mind. The article is biased. The Pope's words are essentially translated pretty much correctly in the subtitles. You can make up your own mind about what he said and skip the commentary in the article itself. It is nothing scandals, essentially its what the Roman Catholic Church has taught for centuries. The Church is a group of
    witnesses to Christ that come together and exist as one and become the anchor of faith. Apparently you can't walk alone and do it yourself. What other message could the Pope give people? There would be no incentive to be a member of any church if you could go it alone. It's not shocking at all, the leader of the church justifying its existence. Yawn.
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    This is just more proof that all religion is bullshit!

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    Honestly, even Protestant Churches insist that Christians must be in communion with the Church. This isn't controversial. It is only the new age, roll your own, so-called Christians who believe that they can be Christians without being members of a congregation.

    The word "Christian" has little meaning now that people simply choose to label themselves as "Christians" in spite of not even practicing Christianity. We have numerous examples of that phenomenon right here at PH.

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