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    I'm not advocating that no one should read the Bible for themselves and Church is more liberal about that than when I was kid. But it's important to study it with people who are educated in it. And for the Church that means people who've been educated by the Church.

    I'm just passing on what I know was taught me. You can argue whether it right or wrong, but DemoWhip has misinterpreted what the Church teaches and what the Pope said.
    No Babba, I have not. It is you who have blind trust in untruths who have covered your eyes to Biblical truth and have unfortunately preferred to believe in man's teachings over God's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    No Babba, I have not. It is you who have blind trust in untruths who have covered your eyes to Biblical truth and have unfortunately preferred to believe in man's teachings over God's.
    Now you're misinterpreting me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    No Babba, I have not. It is you who have blind trust in untruths who have covered your eyes to Biblical truth and have unfortunately preferred to believe in man's teachings over God's.
    Of course, your personal "Biblical truth" is the only truth that matters -- to you.

    Oh well... All of us can't be Gods, can we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    I never indicated or equivocated a website that you mention with or in context to the Holy Bible. I did present to you the argument that the devil, thus, satan, very much exists and that it is his firm stronghold over people to make them think that he does not. However, he is well known for being the "father of lies." That is where he attempts to take the upper hand if Christians and all others are not astute enough to understand what is happening and how they are being deceived by the devil.
    This is textbook confirmation bias. You've decided that he is so any evidence that the Pope isn't an undercover Lucifer is actually evidence that he is, and is trying to trick us into thinking he isn't? Wha? Why not just openly say that you don't care what anyone says, and that you'll never change your mind no matter what?

    Did I ever say that I "hated" that he was elected to that post? No, I merely said that it was MAN who elected him to that chief position not God. That is truth. And there is a great difference between Peter who was one of Jesus' disciples and a pope who wants to put church over God through his clever wording, something that Jesus would obviously never approve of.

    People call it as they see it. When the teachings of Jesus Christ thus, of God, are mixed and reworded to suit the convenience of man and the church then there can be little doubt that that is the work of Anti-Christ.
    No you never said you hated that he was elected, but for some reason you did feel the need to italicize "elected...by other men." So? If Jesus put Peter in charge to spread the faith, what were Peter and the others supposed to do before Peter died? Nothing? Or should they put someone else in charge? Why not pass on this title that Jesus gave to Peter? Really doesn't seem so Satanic to me.

    I love how you pretend that you follow the "true" teachings of a man who—if he lived at all—died about 30-40 years before anyone wrote anything down about him. Those writings have been translated, and those translations have been translated. Everyone has reinterpreted the meanings and intentions. Every generation has cherry picked which teachings were important and which teachings are okay to forget. It's just the way it is. It's religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    It's been my experience that Protestant denominations feel the same way toward Catholics, they just try to keep quieter about it these days than they did a few decades ago. Except for yourself, of course. You posted a thread calling the Pope the Antichrist.

    How do you feel about Mormons? Are they real Christians, in your estimation? What about Jehovah's Witnesses? Do you believe that your path to practicing Christianity is the only valid path?

    BTW: To which denomination do you belong?
    It is not just my unequivocal belief about Mormons not being real Christians. Likewise, neither is it only my belief about Jehovah's Witnesses not being real Christians. The following great website explains why they are not Christian. It certainly bears reading!

    I am a Born Again Christian, thus, have given my life to and have accepted Jesus Christ as my LORD and Savior and have attained salvation as per the Holy Bible. That tells the whole story without using denominations, etc.

    Is Mormonism Christian?
    by Matt Slick
    12/04/08

    https://carm.org/is-mormonism-christian

    from: http://www.carm.org/


    Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?
    by Matt Slick
    12/05/08

    https://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-wit...gion-christian

    from: http://www.carm.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    I am a Born Again Christian, thus, have given my life to and have accepted Jesus Christ as my LORD and Savior and have attained salvation as per the Holy Bible. That tells the whole story without using denominations, etc.
    So then, you aren't actually a member of any Christian Church?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    That cannot be good at all! The pope has no business making such a false statement about those who are following Jesus Christ as their heart leads them to. It is no wonder why so many Catholics are leaving that sect in despair of what they see their CEO and leader doing and saying.

    Only an Anti-Christ would mislead people in that manner. So, Catholics need to beware of that man. Instead of the pope being humble and trying to steer more Catholics to Christ, he says that. That is dangerous and people need to sure know and understand that!






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    Antichrist: Pope Francis Tells Catholics in Rome That a ?Personal Relationship? With Jesus Is ?Dangerous and Harmful? | Global Unrest
    I believe the Pope is trying to stem the tide of people leaving the Church because of the hypocrisy of so many of its members.

    The "nones" as they call them today, are those people who still believe in God/Christ, but do NOT do so through any organized religious organization.

    This Pope, although human and imperfect as any other human, has done more to revive trust in the Church than almost anyone else, trying to direct many members away from the dogma and facing up to its own frailties and movement away from being more Christlike, instead of as his has been, holier than though busybody judges of everyone else's sins, but their own.

    Unfortunately, the very things/attitudes (that became ensconced before him) this Pope has been trying to combat within the Roman Catholic Church, have caused many to leave the Church and that tends to decimate funding for the church. It also increases the already broad and numerous interpretations of Christ's teachings, as with so many things now a days, subjective personal opinion becomes the new "truth", not universal and collective trust in what most people agree to be true, from lots of research and reasoning and discussion.

    In spite of his efforts to actually be the first Pope in a long time, to tone down the dogma and judgmental attitudes of Church leaders and members, he still is in the unenviable position of trying to protect the institution he is the head of and people leaving it, sadly because they saw/and continue to see a lot of hypocrisy and attitudes that seem unattached from Christ's teachings and left the Church, but NOT their belief in Christ. As the Pope, he can't really say that is a good thing and encourage people to do so, because then the Roman Catholic Church might be decimated, both in those that adhere to it and their monetary contributions, which this Pope, more than most in the recent past, is trying to direct more to the needy (those Christ might likely choose as those in need) than to keeping the gilded halls of the Vatican, gilded.

    The sad irony in all this is that he may be the best thing for the Catholic Church in years, but at the same time, this approach, in order to stem the tide of those leaving the Church because of what those before this Pope did, may hurt the Church even further as there seems sense in having a "personal relationship" with Christ/God, but also having a support system for it and those who would be recipients of the charities Christ performed as lessons for others to follow.

    The tide of those leaving organized religion is based on disappointment in where some, if not many organized religions have led, with regard to cover-ups of their own sins, hypocrisies and in some cases teaching/preaching things that seem to oppose and defy Christ's teachings, rather than follow them.

    How to get those who have left or will continue to leave to come back? While not Catholic, I have Catholic relatives via their marriages......and most think this Pope is more the savior of the Church than the destroyer of it, while some others (and in some cases this falls more along American political lines than than anything else, others believe he is a pariah and in their own words, too "liberal".

    It will be interesting to see how this pans out, as there appears to be a struggle, not only in the Roman Catholic Church, but many organized Christian faiths.

    Even among Evangelicals there is dispute about whether one should be condemning homosexuals and abortion, while electing a greedy, gluttonous, narcissistic, lying adulterer, to the highest executive office in the American government.

    For other Evangelicals, some of whom seem to act as if they presume to know their God will judge them to be righteous (for others that lack of humility seems a sin in of itself), it appears to be about how soon can they get Armageddon to occur.


    'God has given Donald Trump authority to take out Kim Jong-un,' President's evangelical adviser says
    “When it comes to how we should deal with evil doers, the Bible, in the book of Romans, is very clear: God has endowed rulers full power to use whatever means necessary - including war - to stop evil,” Jeffress said. “In the case of North Korea, God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong-un.”
    'God has given Donald Trump authority to take out Kim Jong-un,' President's evangelical adviser says | The Independent



    GERMAN NAZI GOTT MIT UNS BELT BUCKLE

    Translation of "Gott mit Uns" = "God with us"


    Perhaps the Pope was also speaking more to those with "personal relationships with Christ" that promote some humans being given God's go ahead to wipe other human lives off the face of the earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    So then, you aren't actually a member of any Christian Church?
    I'm not religious, but I do have to think that if someone is religious they should belong to an actual church denomination with a theology that holds to certain things they believe. This idea that every single individual can on his or her own read a book and navigate the way through all the complicated philosophical paths that come out of it just seems like chaos to me. Imagine if someone said she's a physician but that all she's done is read the works of their founder, Hippocrates and the rest she just thought about and figured out on her own. That's a pretty loose definition of physician. Basically meaningless.
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    My big problem with the Roman Catholic Church is that it teaches that one does not need to go to Jesus Christ and accept Him as their LORD and Savior in order to become saved. They very mistakenly feel that just by becoming baptized that Catholics will be saved but they won't. The Holy Bible is very clear about that. Baptism is of course good to obtain as even Jesus was baptized but that alone will not assure your salvation.

    Jesus, in the Holy Bible, is unequivocally clear about this matter in how one can become Saved or Born Again.

    "Jesus saith unto him, I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me." -- JOHN 14:6 (KJV)

    "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -- JOHN 3:3 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    My big problem with the Roman Catholic Church is that it teaches that one does not need to go to Jesus Christ and accept Him as their LORD and Savior in order to become saved. They very mistakenly feel that just by becoming baptized that Catholics will be saved but they won't. The Holy Bible is very clear about that. Baptism is of course good to obtain as even Jesus was baptized but that alone will not assure your salvation.

    Jesus, in the Holy Bible, is unequivocally clear about this matter in how one can become Saved or Born Again.

    "Jesus saith unto him, I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me." -- JOHN 14:6 (KJV)

    "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -- JOHN 3:3 (KJV)
    I grew up Catholic, and basically that's nonsense. "Accepting him as your lord and savior" is just meaningless. If you accept that Jesus is the son of God (and also God, somehow) isn't that the same thing? What you want is public self flagellation. I remember a verse about that:

    "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full."

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