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    So then, you aren't actually a member of any Christian Church?
    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    I'm not religious, but I do have to think that if someone is religious they should belong to an actual church denomination with a theology that holds to certain things they believe. This idea that every single individual can on his or her own read a book and navigate the way through all the complicated philosophical paths that come out of it just seems like chaos to me. Imagine if someone said she's a physician but that all she's done is read the works of their founder, Hippocrates and the rest she just thought about and figured out on her own. That's a pretty loose definition of physician. Basically meaningless.
    Of course I am a member of a Christian Church. However, I do not want for non-believers and atheists to start attacking that Christian denomination by me discussing it as that is not the purpose of this thread.

    As to your attempt at comparison, it is apples to oranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Of course I am a member of a Christian Church. However, I do not want for non-believers and atheists to start attacking that Christian denomination by me discussing it as that is not the purpose of this thread.
    Well, no. The purpose of this thread was obviously to attack the Roman Catholic Church.

    Too bad you don't want to reveal your own church affiliation. I was kind of curious as to which denomination had, in your opinion, actually gotten it right.

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    I grew up Catholic, and basically that's nonsense. "Accepting him as your lord and savior" is just meaningless. If you accept that Jesus is the son of God (and also God, somehow) isn't that the same thing? What you want is public self flagellation. I remember a verse about that:

    "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full."
    I live by and stand by the following Scripture:

    "If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part He is glorified." -- 1 PETER 4:14 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    As to your attempt at comparison, it is apples to oranges.
    How? What is meant by "accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior"? Crying in front of large crowds of people and finishing all kinds of sentences with "in Jesus' name"? That mostly seems like posturing to me. I've never heard anyone explain why an all powerful God is more interested in being "accepted" into people's hearts than he is about people following the righteous path. After all, one can say they accept a million times, and it won't mean shit. They have to actually walk the walk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    I live by and stand by the following Scripture:

    "If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part He is glorified." -- 1 PETER 4:14 (KJV)
    I didn't reproach you for the name of Christ. I reproached you for placing more emphasis on supplication than on following the righteous path. Public declarations of faith are meaningless, and according to the Bible, not very impressive to God.
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    You are an Atheist, but, you agree with someone you don't agree with, spiritually....that OTHERS should not develop a personal relationship with a God...whom you do not believe in?????

    Yea, well, I really don't think the SITH are all THAT bad.

    Just angry. Very, very angry......

    And SAURON! Sauron gets a bad rap. He was just trying to bring "end all wars" in Middle Earth......

    I think Harry Potter is bi-sexual......

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    My big problem with the Roman Catholic Church is that it teaches that one does not need to go to Jesus Christ and accept Him as their LORD and Savior in order to become saved. They very mistakenly feel that just by becoming baptized that Catholics will be saved but they won't. The Holy Bible is very clear about that. Baptism is of course good to obtain as even Jesus was baptized but that alone will not assure your salvation.

    Jesus, in the Holy Bible, is unequivocally clear about this matter in how one can become Saved or Born Again.

    "Jesus saith unto him, I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me." -- JOHN 14:6 (KJV)

    "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." -- JOHN 3:3 (KJV)
    He who believes and is baptized will be saved. (Mk 16:16)

    You can only be baptized by the Church.

    [U]nless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Lk 13:3)

    You confess through the Church.

    [H]e who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. (Jn 6:54)

    You can only receive the Eucharist through the Church.

    Those sacraments are administered by the Church.

    The Church is the body of Christ.

    "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters" (Mt 12:30).

    [I]"f he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector"(Mt 18:17).

    These things are the basis of what the Pope has stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Of course I am a member of a Christian Church. However, I do not want for non-believers and atheists to start attacking that Christian denomination by me discussing it as that is not the purpose of this thread.

    As to your attempt at comparison, it is apples to oranges.
    You have no qualms about attacking the Catholic Church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    You have no qualms about attacking the Catholic Church.
    Or Mormons, or Jehovah's Witnesses...

    Wonder if the Baptists and Methodists are okay? Presbyterians? Episcopalians? Lutherans?

    So many heretics... So little time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    How? What is meant by "accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior"? Crying in front of large crowds of people and finishing all kinds of sentences with "in Jesus' name"? That mostly seems like posturing to me. I've never heard anyone explain why an all powerful God is more interested in being "accepted" into people's hearts than he is about people following the righteous path. After all, one can say they accept a million times, and it won't mean shit. They have to actually walk the walk.
    Praying in public.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_6:5
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